House MD (TV series)

[Joy]

He doesn't remind me of Peter.

[Gilly]

You've compared them in the past.

[Joy]

I've mentioned that others (his parents and Kelly) have compared them in the past. I've never really seen it though. If they really seemed all that similar to me, I wouldn't be with him.

[Gilly]

Oh come on, House is like the ULTIMATE father figure!

[Joy]

right...

Sorry, I wouldn't be with (much less marry!) House cause he's too messed up and I feel that relationships can only be as healthy as the people in them. I'm not codependent anymore.

[Gilly]

Sheeeeeeeze, take a joke, lady...

[Joy]

lol

Sorry, I just woke up not that long ago and my sense of humor still hasn't kicked in yet.

The truth is that I know I could cut through a bunch of his layers of defensiveness pretty quickly and think he'd respond really well to some creative Ni. (Try picturing him with a Se dominant though... they'd just argue. It would turn into a battle of wills.) The world isn't this horrible place that isn't fair and has no real rhyme or reason to it's cruelty. Everybody lies? So what. There's more sense to human behavior than that. No need to be so cynical.

I couldn't bring myself to that level though (the level that would be required to be with him). As a friend I could, but not in a relationship. Not anymore.

[Gilly]

And you think it's an LIE who could "restore his faith in humanity?" Sounds like a job for an ethical type if you ask me, maybe an EIE or IEE.

Not that that rules you out :wink:

[Gilly]

Maybe House is LSI.

[Joy]

That's waaaaaaay more likely than ILI or LIE, imo. (I'm telling you, the Se is there. )

[Joy]

And you think it's an LIE who could "restore his faith in humanity?" Sounds like a job for an ethical type if you ask me, maybe an EIE or IEE.

Not that that rules you out :wink:

It's not about restoring faith in humanity. It's about making the universe/life make sense.

Perhaps he needs a positivist dual?

[Joy]

In response to the ILE suggestion...

Cutner: ILE

This is the show's idea of an ILE. Notice the huge difference?

[Gilly]

Yes, and I don't think that House is ILE. But he's not ESI either; does he conflict with Cutner? Au contraire; House chose Cutner specifically because of their similar approach to medicine.

What does positivism have to do with this?

[Joy]

The show itself is Ne > Ni. The show's answer to House's problems is his IEE best friend. None of his massive insecurities (the one's about no rhyme or reason to the cruelty) are ever addressed though.

[Joy]

Actually, now that I think about it, House's need to make sense of things is portrayed as a flaw. And I'm not talking about his need to solve every case, either.

[Gilly]

This is all true enough. But does that make Ne House's PoLR? Personally I don't think so. I don't think Wilson' supervises him, either.

Perhaps there is a case for SLI: he typically needs lots of Ne from his assistants (random possibilities thrown out for him to address based on his knowledge of the patient and medicine), and it is definitely Ne+Fi that he gets from Wilson, which he clearly needs.

*shrug*

[Gilly]

House's biggest flaw, as portrayed, is that he needs a logical explanation for human nature.

[Joy]

This is all true enough. But does that make Ne House's PoLR? Personally I don't think so. I don't think Wilson' supervises him, either.

Perhaps there is a case for SLI: he typically needs lots of Ne from his assistants (random possibilities thrown out for him to address based on his knowledge of the patient and medicine), and it is definitely Ne+Fi that he gets from Wilson, which he clearly needs.

*shrug*

SLI makes tons more sense than ILI or ILE, in any case.

House's biggest flaw, as portrayed, is that he needs a logical explanation for human nature.

And here I thought it was that he's an asshole. (I don't see that as a flaw, btw. And other characters portrayed in a less negative light also need logical explanations for human nature.)

[Gilly]

It's not a flaw, but it becomes one when you're placed in a thankless environment dealing with mostly the negative aspects of people and you have no social life to rectify the bad side of people with the good.

[Gilly]

This is classic Enneagram 5, btw. His wing is probably 4, because he acts like a primadonna, emphasizes his special status at the hospital, manipulates his privileged influence with Cuddy, and, most tellingly, emphasizes his own disadvantaged status; the show is pretty much about House wallowing in self-pity, and Wilson's analyses of him reveal that he takes some sadistic pleasure in being in pain. 5w4 is DEFINITELY his e-type, as far as I'm concerned.

This essentially rules out ESI as a type from my perspective, and points more in the direction of SLI/LIE/ILI.

[1981slater]

Let's find another path: types that House isn't

ISFp
ESFj
ESFp
INFj

if you add eleven more we'll have an exit to this mess

[Gilly]

Let's find another path: types that House isn't

ISFp
ESFj
ESFp
INFj

if you add eleven more we'll have an exit to this mess

ESI
IEE
ILE
LII
SLE
LSI
LSE
EIE
IEI

[1981slater]

ESI
IEE
ILE
LII
SLE
LSI
LSE
EIE
IEI

I forgot to say that added types must be the right ones

[Gilly]

House isn't ILE.

[1981slater]

Fictional characters doesn't even exist and that's why we see different socionics types within them.
Anyway, I am starting to think about buying House-ILI

[Joy]

This is classic Enneagram 5, btw. His wing is probably 4, because he acts like a primadonna, emphasizes his special status at the hospital, manipulates his privileged influence with Cuddy, and, most tellingly, emphasizes his own disadvantaged status; the show is pretty much about House wallowing in self-pity, and Wilson's analyses of him reveal that he takes some sadistic pleasure in being in pain. 5w4 is DEFINITELY his e-type, as far as I'm concerned.

This essentially rules out ESI as a type from my perspective, and points more in the direction of SLI/LIE/ILI.

I don't see how any of that rules out ESI.

Let's find another path: types that House isn't

ILE
SEI
ESE
LII
SLE
IEI
EIE
LIE
ILI
SEE
EII
IEE

[Gilly]

I don't see how any of that rules out ESI.

It makes it highly unlikely, considering common enneagram/socionics correlations. It doesn't rule it out completely, but I don't think House himself would waste time on the possibility, at least until other, more rational explanations had been ruled out :wink:

[Joy]

I don't think House himself would spend half a second on this discussion.

[Gilly]

-_-;

[Joy]

Is that thing scratching it's head?

[1981slater]

I don't think House himself would spend half a second on this discussion.

Yeah, physical violence, for example, solves 99% of the problems

[Joy]

I'm just saying... he's a doctor, he's got better things to do with his time than deal with this sort of useless shit.

[1981slater]

I'm just saying... he's a doctor, he's got better things to do with his time than deal with this sort of useless shit.

The last four years of our lives

[Gilly]

Is that thing scratching it's head?

Eh, it's supposed to be a sweat drop, but I guess you could see it that way.

[ArchonAlarion]

House is ILI - Te

I know an ILI - Te irl who is just like House, so I easily see the similarities.

House does not give shit about emotions, and he is sarcastic and cutting.

He likes to play god (Big ILI deal).

He does not approach medicine in an way at all. He doesn't go about making sure everyone is comfy and relaxed physically and emotionally. In fact, he'll often do the opposite, which is what separates him from the other bureacratic hospital employees (, , devaluing). He has a vast knowledge of diseases and ailments with flashes of insight. The show is all about discovering information and objective facts about the patients life () and then linking it up to form a story at the climax.

House will occasionally snap and make a scene, demonstrating polr

[Joy]

People are sensitive to criticism about their PoLR and feel they have no way to defend themselves against it.

[ArchonAlarion]

Same with super-id, so whats your point? And INTp's are not gonna go and cry when you criticize their emotional considerations. That is utterly ridiculous.

Have you ever seen an INTp go, "No guys, please stop saying Im a sarcastic grump, JUST STOP! If you continue Im gonna go and sob in the corner! WAAAAAHHHHHH!"

No. What happens is INTp's will not subject themselves to . Instead of dancing and singing in the talent show and then crying when they get made fun of, they just wont sing and dance. You can see polr reaction, when you subject the INTp to things like dancing, kareoke, musicals, enthusiasm, and emotionally volatile people. Then watch them withdraw, get embarrassed, and feel awkward.

Polr reaction doesn't have to be crying in a corner or self flagellation. In INTp's it is expressed by resentment, sarcasm, and outbursts.

Do you really think House wants a joyful, enthusiastic, bubbly, spontaneous crier for a partner?

cuz he seems to like the secretive bitchy ones.

(LIE is my second choice, but I think House is intoverted and lives in an inner mental world more than an LIE would)

[Joy]

Who are you?

[ArchonAlarion]

Dr. House

[Joy]

Really? You don't sound like him. You sound like crazedrat.