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    As you would probably have heard in the news lately, NSA lost a case and the judge ordered them to release papers concerning UFO's.

    A lot of ufo stuff that had been hidden by the NSA has come out. Nothing interesting among it, except for this. Which has been released on 21 april:

    The sputnik stallite has received 29 extraterrestrial messages containing the whole periodic system and some advanced math!!

    The evidence is public, as you can see it is on a NSA server:

    http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_file...t_messages.pdf

    http://www.ufodigest.com/article/off...-kevin-w-smith

    Can someone confirm that this is not a hoax? It doesn't seem like one...

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    bummer. we already know the periodic system. these aliens are useless gits.


    cool news, though. i hope its true.

    was a message ever sent to the aliens and retrieved back? also were there any new elements on the periodic system they sent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    bummer. we already know the periodic system. these aliens are useless gits.


    cool news, though. i hope its true.

    was a message ever sent to the aliens and retrieved back? also were there any new elements on the periodic system they sent?
    The periodic system they use is in the document on the nsa site.

    They use the octal system instead of decimal system! They've sent codes that explain they use numbers, theory of sets, and science that in all cultures is being used in our universum. Some parts could not be translated.

    edit: yes we have sent messages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Message_From_Earth

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    They use the octal system instead of decimal system!
    four fingered hands then? but then again, god knows what kind of limbs they count on.

    edit: yes we have sent messages: A_Message_From_Earth
    are you saying that message was sent to the same aliens as the sputnik message was received from? they live on Gliese 581c?

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    I've further investigated it, the topic is being discussed on fok.nl in our country.

    It seems that the NSA had done an internal test to check the ingenuity of their cryptologists.

    The documents released are the result of their efforts. But the document of the test was ignored by the press. But it can be seen on the site of NSA. (I forgot to bookmark)

    So all too bad... No aliens. Just a test for cryptologists and bad journalism made it look authentic.

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    sounds like the kind of thing they would say to roll back the cover-up.

    /conspiracy!

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    If it were just an exercise in cryptology, why would the NSA have fought in court to block the documents' release?

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    egg-zactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    If it were just an exercise in cryptology, why would the NSA have fought in court to block the documents' release?
    Because it's a matter of security ? Cryptology falls directly into the field of intelligence agencies, intelligence gathering and law enforcement. I think we all know why and what for cryptology is used and most importantly when to apply it.

    Wait for Jarno to link something "new", like another message or something.

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    the simpler explanation is that there are aliens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    the simpler explanation is that there are aliens.
    And to make this even more simple(?) you take it on faith and it took two pdf files to convince you ? I know it is on a site that doesn't bullshit if one can say it this way, and I find it to be believable coming from such source as NSA but something is still fishy.

    http://www.nsa.gov/

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    sounds like the kind of thing they would say to roll back the cover-up.

    /conspiracy!
    except that the sputnik doesn't have a receiver !!

    :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    except that the sputnik doesn't have a receiver
    Case closed, it only has a radio receiver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    the simpler explanation is that there are aliens.
    Which is obviously why SETI is being shut down. To hide THE TRUTH©!

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...MCxE_blog.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    Which is obviously why SETI is being shut down. To hide THE TRUTH©
    Truth will prevail no matter what, for socionics I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    If it were just an exercise in cryptology, why would the NSA have fought in court to block the documents' release?
    legal precedent

    "And to make this even more simple(?) you take it on faith and it took two pdf files to convince you ? I know it is on a site that doesn't bullshit if one can say it this way, and I find it to be believable coming from such source as NSA but something is still fishy"

    Birthers , oops i mean x-files fans.

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    except that the sputnik doesn't have a receiver !!
    hah, is that what they tell you now.

    Which is obviously why SETI is being shut down. To hide THE TRUTH©!
    My god, we really are on to something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jughead View Post
    Birthers , oops i mean x-files fans.
    Let's see, there's Obersturmführer utnc (that's some cryptology skills, eh ?) and 07490 thus far, they both must be the same quadra or my name isn't absurd.

    Labcoat and Golden are a bit alien, so they don't classify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    hah, is that what they tell you now.
    hehe, yeah.

    It's probably not even from sputnik, but rather a secret spy satelite they launched of which nobody knew its existence. I think it was even Hitler who launched that satelite. Did you really think those V2 rockets were to bomb america.

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    Is there a place with the rest of these documents, and/or someone explaining the code?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    Is there a place with the rest of these documents, and/or someone explaining the code?
    http://www.funny-games.biz/green-terror.html

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    Absurd dont ruin this moment. This is the moment mankind unearths aliens. I want to remember this moment without you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    Is there a place with the rest of these documents, and/or someone explaining the code?
    I read the whole paper before I knew it concerned a test instead of the real thing.

    The 31 messages follow a somewhat similar pattern as in the movie 'Contact'.

    First the key to understanding their language is made clear by universal language of math and logic.

    First couple of messages are like:
    ABA

    This means A=A

    Therefor now you know that the symbol B means '=' .

    In this style all operators and set theory are made clear.

    The last message contains the periodic system described with octal system.

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    How do you know it's a test? You assume that. I'm not convinced. It's mathematics. The movie contact used mathematics - and? How else would you transmit communication to an alien race? You'd use mathematics. Even if it were a test, the mathematics are legitimate. You think some contact hoax is going to fool the best crackers in the world? They fought for years to keep this document from being released, and from what I've read this is only 1 document of many which they have not released. The NSA has not been fourthcoming. They were ordered to release this document by a judge. So I don't fully trust what they have to say about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    Absurd dont ruin this moment. This is the moment mankind unearths aliens. I want to remember this moment without you.
    Be me guest, don't let me stop you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    How do you know it's a test? You assume that.
    I've seen the other document that said it was a test. It's also public. I forgot to bookmark it sorry.

    And I assume that is the truth, but I agree there is room for conspiracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    They fought for years to keep this document from being released
    yeah, well it contains some somewhat advanced math solutions made by the cryptologists. I can imagine they don't want to spread it.

    Secondly the text has 'unclassified' typed in it, already when it wasn't released.

    There's to much that points to being simply a test.

    Also the cryptologist sais there is likely slipped an error in the alien code. I think it's more likely a dreamy teacher who wasn't paying attention when making the test than a sophisticated alien race.

    But than again, you are free to believe it. I really hoped it was true, but sputnik has no receiver etc. and/or would catch noise. To much contrary evidence.

    Also only one simple document, made by one person about alien contact. I would think they would have build a second pentagon specially for alien research if this were to be true.

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    It contains advanced math? And so they hid it? That's doesn't make sense and you just came up with that explanation yourself. The techniques used are universal decoding techniques, and the code is just a single, meaningless code which isnt even that large. Yes the document says unclassified at the top. But we don't know what that means in what context. For years the document was treated as classified. We know it was classified. Unclassified for who to access? Was that document republished when it became unclassified?

    There is no evidence the signal came from sputnik. We dont know where it came from. We only have the NSA telling us (or as they claim their own people during this "test") it came from sputnik - a satellite which you claim has no signal receiver.
    Your opinion is not based on evidence it's based on trusting the NSAs public response.

    The truth is we do not know whether this is real or fake, and we cannot trust what the NSA says about it. They tried to hide it for years. Why would you trust the agency on trial?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    It contains advanced math? And so they hid it? That's doesn't make sense and you just came up with that explanation yourself.

    The truth is we do not know whether this is real or fake, and we cannot trust what the NSA says about it.
    yeah I was just brainstorming.

    I agree with you that there is room for the alien message to be real.

    But (I hope) you would also admit that there is also much room for it to be just a test. That has been kept hidden just because those NSA guys like to hide things. Heck even in the company I worked for, much of it was hidden, not public etc. It's normal. It isn't necesseraly an important document.

    Also I would expect the first contact, the most important historical event in human history to be written on a bit larger book, maybe a complete house with all kinds of solutions and theories around it, instead of just a couple of pages.

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    Of course it's possible it was a test. It's possible, but we do not know. It could be real too.

    That still doesn't explain to me why the NSA spent years in court hiding it. That's alot of effort to hide a silly test. I'll bet if someone sued the company you worked for so they could access information which they had the legal right to access, your company would turn the information over instead of dragging it out for years in a lawsuit.

    Who's to say there aren't more documents? The document is titled "key to the extraterrestrial messages". The title implies there are more documents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    That still doesn't explain to me why the NSA spent years in court hiding it.
    oh just for the record. I don't know how much you have read.

    If I read correctly they had this court thing, to open up on ALL the ufo files. Not just this one.

    This was just one of the zillion files they were hiding.

    All the files have been opened (I think), and most of them were just the average joe who saw a light in the sky which happened to be a jet fighter.

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    I've read people saying this is not a fully compliant response, and the NSA is still hiding documents. Its hard for me to believe that a judge could order the NSA to unveil such a huge secret, and they'd simply comply because the judge told them to. Infact.. I know that wouldn't happen. They'd just bury the secret even further, so that no one could ever know. The documents they couldn't hide.. those would be released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    I've read people saying this is not a fully compliant response, and the NSA is still hiding documents. Its hard for me to believe that a judge could order the NSA to unveil such a huge secret, and they'd simply comply because the judge told them to. Infact.. I know that wouldn't happen. They'd just bury the secret even further, so that no one could ever know. The documents they couldn't hide.. those would be released.
    yes, that is the most likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    If it were just an exercise in cryptology, why would the NSA have fought in court to block the documents' release?
    The whole point of cryptology is to keep things secret, or say cryptic?

    You want cryptologists to be able to break down your enemies codes and build their own that won't be broken down.

    Releasing training exercises can give away the confidentiality of that process, giving your enemies an opportunity to reverse engineer your process and training of your professionals.

    That would be my guess.

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    If you read the paper the entire code is just establishing a basis for arithmetic by using repeated signals to demonstrate the operations. There is no reason you'd ever need to keep that code secret. What are they trying to hide? The existence of base 8 arithmetic?
    Last edited by rat1; 04-28-2011 at 03:05 AM.

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    Well I'm not intimately familiar with the NSA's procedure, but if I had to guess, it would be that they assign confidentiality to things in a global sense rather than a particular sense. Meaning they say this project is confidential as opposed to this document of this project is confidential and this one isn't. They probably don't have the manpower to go through everything that is written and have someone sensible judge it for how confidential it should be, instead they probably apply confidentiality to entire projects and all materials therein, then on a case by case circumstance review things as capable or incapable of being classified.

    This project was probably classified as it could give enemies a potential insight into how training is conducted, perhaps their entire training program was secret and this was only a single element in that, and after the fact it was determined to be capable of declassification.

    You know either that or it's because of the aLiENz!

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    Well then, looks like I'm not going outside again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    Well then, looks like I'm not going outside again.

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    If it ever did come to that I'd go down fighting. Not gona hide from these fuckin things.

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