]ESC's idea seems like it deserves its own thread, especially since it's a two-headed beast. So here we is.
Here's a little story about DJ's dream girl: Within a particular scene there are a number of ILIs and a mean ol' EIE. She's a vituperative narcissist who entertains herself with scurrilous attacks and smear campaigns. Of the half-dozen or so ILIs who are present, only the one who's probably got Asperger's is susceptible to her predations (it's reminiscent of Lucy van Pelt continually pulling the football away on gullible Charlie Brown; aspie is obviously not an adherent of the Bushism, "Fool me twice, cant get fooled again."). Now including myself all of the ILIs there are fully aware that the EIE trucks in transparent boolsheet, and even the aspie knows this even though she usually walks right into it. The general consensus is that the EIE is more noisy than threatening, more tedious than convincing. Although the EIE's unremittingly scathing vitriol has sent a few IEIs bawling and has spread baseless innuendo within the larger group, she's yet to alter the thinking, self-image, or behavior of a single ILI. Not one*. They've almost all fought back, criticizing her hypocritical duplicity and self-aggrandizing bile. Since her propaganda is generally specious at best it's more risible than hazardous. In fact she's tired of me ignoring or ridiculing her frontal assaults and has found me far more responsive when my friends are maligned, i.e. when she's exploiting mobilizing Fi, not vulnerable Fe.
* Except, of course, the alienation and suspicion that naturally develops over time in response to such a person.
So why aren't these ILIs or I falling prey to zombification?
- -'s contextualization of data finds what's untrue about lies, roots out their motivations and goals, anticipates how they'll manifest and under what conditions, and devises means to combat them.
- Mobilizing is rarely affected adversely except by damage to valued persons, relations, or self esteem.
- Suggestive is often likelier to yawn at or be amused by feigned shows of force than it is to be intimidated by them.
- Vulnerable ... ? You mean that curious alien substance examined clinically like a bug in a jar and utilized with conscious and studied effort? It really isn't a liability here except for its handicap at proactively controlling desirable social atmospheres or impressions.
So the idea of EIEs brainwashing ILIs just strikes me as untrue.
Also, Ashton can chime in with his thoughts on this if he wants but he recently mentioned in conversation that supervision is probably a two-way street. It took very little reflection on my dealings with EIEs and LSEs to see that this is actually correct.
Ok, time for a change in direction (this means I'm gonna kinda be a dick for a while...don't tell anyone).
I'm sure you'll argue or "******, LOL!" Fe-ishly in response again but to me this sounds like:
- "caught my worldview off-guard" jarring principles fed to acc- and realizations from cre- discombobulated DS-
- "life-questioning questions and ideas" same as above, further giving mob.- a tweak
- "suicide" foreign introduced, not spontaneously self-generated, sending mob.-/PoLR- spinning into the guardrails
- "I swear at the time I thought he was the Devil" /
- "dude had a real nasty look" /
- "like a serpent" /
- "I also thought he was too pushy" constrained and negative = -PoLR hit
- "ideas I considered delicate" encroachment on , violation of by Se-valuing badman
The whole thing screams "Ji,
Ji,
JIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!" A little contrast: I personally came to existentialism at age five after a week's nightly prayers were finally answered, but by the all-annihilating null-space of the trackless void, not that nice Jesus fellow I'd been told about who'd be my guiding star. Nothing shocks me about a world devoid of objective morality or meaning, perpetually in relativistic freefall: for the finite agent within the universe's infinite scope and power, life is absurd and ultimately unendurable. Nor is there likely to be anything beyond the grave but release from consciousness's strange comedy. Further, my response to contrary viewpoints is skepticism and possibly eventual rejection, often of an active and even polemic sort, i.e. "That's fucking stupid and it's offensive that you poison the ignorant and credulous by propagating nonsense", not "O LAWZ I GOTSTA REJIGGER ALL MY THINKINZ FROM SCRIZZATCH OR I'M FINNA DIIIIEEEEE". I'm not afraid to tell morons or morons with bad breath to step back, and there's hardly anything too horrific or grotesque for me to examine or discuss. Now I certainly can't say this is true for all ILIs, but the ones I know all have sufficient familiarity with controversial ideas and actual blood and guts that they'd hardly feel alarmed by discordant ideas presented by an insistent or insidious person. Your response is just way too Ji-oriented (look to your buddy tcaud and how he handles himself when faced with heretics). So again, I think you're LII, which explains why your understanding of the Ni-Te mind seems more textbook than experiential.