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    Default ILI or LII?

    Which one do you think? I'm not impartial enough to decide, and I don't trust my bias not to creep into a description...
    Last edited by octo; 04-28-2011 at 01:29 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agee The Great View Post
    Nobody here...besides me, seems to know what SLE is except for maybe Maritsa.

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    Given the choice; ILI.

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    Added a poll
    Quote Originally Posted by Agee The Great View Post
    Nobody here...besides me, seems to know what SLE is except for maybe Maritsa.

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    He needs to open his eyes.
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    This is me and my dual being scientific together

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    Broadening the data sample with writing examples and the like would be useful, unless this is meant to be yet another round of uninformed guesses based on somatype and other static visual cues.

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    Same type as Adrian Lamo?
    ILI (FINAL ANSWER)

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    i voted for LII.

    Ofcourse with low reliability, it's just a picture.

    but he has the typical mouth of an LII, that gave me a sort of aha feeling.

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    he doesn't have the victim eyebrows of the ILI. he has the typical more long chin of the LII, and the same mouth as LII.

    http://www.therichest.org/wp-content...drew-Wiles.jpg
    http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~dpd/Sab...s/IMG_0103.jpg

    But then again, pictures are not really suited for typing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    But then again, pictures are not suited for typing.
    I agree, somewhat. Pictures are more suited for subtyping btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Trevor View Post
    I agree, somewhat. Pictures are more suited for subtyping btw.
    in that case looks like Ni-ILI to me

    Octopuslove, would you say this guy is more introverted and quiet?

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    One can expand subtype system to include, dunno, 119 subtypes per each type, btw.

    Pictures are more suited for subtyping than for typing.

    Wait..I already said that. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Trevor View Post
    Pictures are more suited for subtyping than for typing.
    just for the record, when the type is already known. subtype can be seen with pictures. Yeah I can imagine that it works. Especially because you only have to compare the face with the subtypes you know of the alreadly known type.

    subtypes are no more (distinguishable) by 4 or 8. Then you arrive at the 'copy' level. You have to have eyes of a hawk if you can distinct even more than 8. I bet 119 is a record :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    ...subtypes are no more (distinguishable) by 4 or 8. Then you arrive at the 'copy' level. You have to have eyes of a hawk if you can distinct even more than 8. I bet 119 is a record :-)
    What I was having in mind was more like: "oke, Jarno is ILI, Te-dutch-middleaged-stock company worker-brown hair-blue eyes-heterosexual - subtype, while Robert is ILI, but Ni-English-young adult-unemployed-green eyes-black hair-also heterosexual - subtype. That kind of thing. Things that people of a same type don't necessarily share. There can be a lot of those things. Even more than 119, I'd say.

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    i kind of want to say Gamma NT but i wouldn't balk at LII.

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    If VI works, then I doubt it is because of any physiological constructs (assuming that type is not genetic). I think it is more likely that the type will manifest in the overall "expression" in the face and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    Broadening the data sample with writing examples and the like would be useful
    Unfortunately, my data on that is pretty weak, which is why I took the last-resort VI-only route, I guess I was hoping that someone had typed heaps of LIIs or ILIs and could say, "He looks a lot like X."

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    But then again, pictures are not really suited for typing.
    Well, they are, but I've already done the easy part and narrowed it down to introverted NT

    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    Octopuslove, would you say this guy is more introverted and quiet?
    Yep, socially awkward, gives off an uncomfortable "vibe" in group situations, but still seems to want to be included, with gestures of goodwill e.g. baking stuff and inviting other people to go out.

    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    i kind of want to say Gamma NT but i wouldn't balk at LII.
    That's pretty much what I think. He doesn't really have the kind of bug-eyed intense stare of Ti-base types, but it could just be that he's always sleep deprived. And I can't tell if he's always sarcastic because he's ILI, or just because he's a socially awkward LII who has sarcastic as his default socialising mode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agee The Great View Post
    Nobody here...besides me, seems to know what SLE is except for maybe Maritsa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octopuslove View Post
    That's pretty much what I think. He doesn't really have the kind of bug-eyed intense stare of Ti-base types, but it could just be that he's always sleep deprived. And I can't tell if he's always sarcastic because he's ILI, or just because he's a socially awkward LII who has sarcastic as his default socialising mode.
    Is his humor more darkish, ironic, does it include puns or absurdist elements? Or is it more sarcastic, aimed at pointing out something dumb or illogical happening in environment or another person?

    The relationship between irony and sarcasm is not a very clear cut one, but there are some important distinctions. With sarcasm there is a distinct element though that you can spot that is more common for ILIs to use when they try to make a joke: "Psychology researchers Lee and Katz (1998) have addressed the issue directly. They found that ridicule is an important aspect of sarcasm, but not of verbal irony in general. By this account, sarcasm is a particular kind of personal criticism leveled against a person or group of persons that incorporates verbal irony. For example, a woman reports to her friend that rather than going to a medical doctor to treat her cancer, she has decided to see a spiritual healer instead. In response her friend says sarcastically, "Oh, brilliant, what a genius idea, that's really going to cure you." -- This component of "personal criticism leveled against a person or group of persons" is much more prevalent in ILI humor and is a mark of what I'd say is true sarcasm, whereas LIIs are much more likely to use irony or darkish or absurdist humor and sometimes even self-depricating humor.

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    Tentatively, Ti. Reminded me of discoejoe somewhat in terms of the eyes, which are Ti oriented. But I can't tell. Your eyes are too obstructed, and all your poses are the same.
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    I can't tell if you're squinting your eyes becuase you're 'tired' or if it's your natural way of holding yourself. MOre pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    Tentatively, Ti. Reminded me of discoejoe somewhat in terms of the eyes, which are Ti oriented. But I can't tell. Your eyes are too obstructed, and all your poses are the same.
    NOT ME >.<
    Quote Originally Posted by Agee The Great View Post
    Nobody here...besides me, seems to know what SLE is except for maybe Maritsa.

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    LIIs as well as ILIs are equally capable of being cutting or self-deprecating. Generally speaking, however:

    * LIIs' Ti+Ne provides them a flair for embellishing on motifs, and so they're given to a great deal of contrarian humor, puns, and other wordplay. Since LIIs are Si+Fe-valuing they often do this to enhance joviality and ingratiate themselves with listeners.

    * ILIs' Ni+Te provides them a troubleshooter's eye for inconsistencies, and so they're given to observational humor that highlights paradoxes and absurdities. Since ILIs are Se+Fi-valuing they're given to ribbing others and might actually be pleased if their jibes fly over listeners' heads.

    Regarding insults, both are equally likely to condemn others for perceived stupidity. Again, however, the underlying message differs:

    * As a result of valued Si+Fe, LIIs' insults say, "You are an irremediable moron. I'm taking my ball and going inside. Get off my property!"

    * As a result of valued Se+Fi, ILIs' insults say, "You are an irremediable moron. You should be sterilized and barred from voting or owning property."

    In terms of prophesying doom:

    * The LII is most likely to sound klaxons and bells and give a breathless account of the disaster sure to come, noisily updating their forecasts as conditions change.

    * The ILI is likely to make no more than a sardonic remark or two and wait patiently without interfering to see if their prognostications bear enough fruit to smirklily say, "I told you so."

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    ILI (into) are mostly not as sharp looking as LII (intj)

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    * The ILI is likely to make no more than a sardonic remark or two and wait patiently without interfering to see if their prognostications bear enough fruit to smirklily say, "I told you so."

    Dmitri Orlov
    is a classic example. Some of his ideas are brilliant, others sort of silly, but he's definitely ILI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post

    Dmitri Orlov
    is a classic example. Some of his ideas are brilliant, others sort of silly, but he's definitely ILI.
    Give us an expose in yonder thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    ILIs appear more sharp on the outside, LIIs are more sharp on the inside. ILIs more decisive with respect to their outer world, while LIIs seem to have very well-formed opinions on greater variety of subjects.
    Both of those vary with the individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    Both of those vary with the individual.
    nope, dig deeper and you'll see the same pattern of behavior repeat

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuntal View Post
    nope, dig deeper and you'll see the same pattern of behavior repeat
    Trend =/= absolute.

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