Rational Ego Function Styles?

[pianosinger]

Why are these not developed in the theory?

We have Romance styles, taking into account one's irrational Ego function.

But what about the rational function?

MBTI kind of addresses this, labeling the rational function the "decision-making function."

So what do you think? Should Socionics have "Decision-Making Styles"?

And if it did, what would they look like? What would they be called?

Ideas, for instance--

Fe-Ego: The Sympathizer
Fi-Ego: The Empathizer, The Identifier
Te-Ego: The Tactician
Ti-Ego: The Logician

[Jarno]

Why are these not developed in the theory?

yes that subject has been raised a couple of times, and I've also seen the solution for it. Slater81 has posted something about it, where the rational functions were something like:
- agressive intellectual
- victim emotional
etc.

I had bookmarked that thread cause I found it interesting too. But it seems that I can't reach it anymore...

[krieger]

We have Romance styles, taking into account one's irrational Ego function.

But what about the rational function?

this is pretty much why i don't put much stock in those erotic attitudes. they emphasize the irrational function for no justified reason.

[FDG]

yes that subject has been raised a couple of times, and I've also seen the solution for it. Slater81 has posted something about it, where the rational functions were something like:
- agressive intellectual
- victim emotional
etc.

I had bookmarked that thread cause I found it interesting too. But it seems that I can't reach it anymore...

You can find it in his blog, I believe. I think it can be considered as a final solution, more or less.

Here it is:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/blog.php?b=461

[Igxfl]

Well, there are the communication styles, based off the rational functions.
http://www.slideconsulting.com/Commu...groupings.html

[1981slater]

Piano singer, read this please:

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tile+caregiver

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/blog.php?b=461

[Krig the Viking]

I continue to find 1981slater's work on the subject to be a highly useful way of thinking about it. Gulenko's communication styles are pretty good too, and can be used in conjunction.

[Igxfl]

So, if the romance styles can be extended into the rational functions as by 1981slater, can the communication styles be similarly extended into the irrational ones?

[1981slater]

So, if the romance styles can be extended into the rational functions as by 1981slater, can the communication styles be similarly extended into the irrational ones?

Well, if you mean ET=businesslike, IT=cold blooded, EF=passionate and IF=sincere....

My very first reaction to this is...

What about this?

demanding (expects physical activity from the other person)
informative (abstract traits)
demanding (expects mental activity from the other person)
informative (physical traits)

[pianosinger]

Thanks, slater

I've seen your chart before, but I didn't think to apply it in the context of my OP. But, it works.

Question: Do you have a name for your theory? I'm making a "cheat sheet" with various useful information, and I want to know how to label your chart. If all else fails, I guess I can just call it "slater's theory" or something like that...

[pianosinger]

Well, there are the communication styles, based off the rational functions.
http://www.slideconsulting.com/Commu...groupings.html

Something I realized, looking at this: The Romance styles are based on Irrational Ego functions, whether as Base or Creative functions.

However, the Communication Styles are based on the Rational function in the Base or Demonstrative slots.

Not quite sure what to think of this...Why did Gulenko do it that way? Rather than grouping the types based on shared Rational Ego functions?

Or, what if the Romance styles were based on the Base and Demonstrative functions instead of both the Ego functions? Then the Aggressors would be SLE, SEE, LSE, and ESE. Victims would be IEI, ILI, EII, and LII. Caregivers would be SEI, SLI, ESI, and LSI. And Infantiles would be ILE, IEE, LIE, and EIE.

You know what, this is a different enough tangent, I think I'm going to start a new thread on this.

[Krig the Viking]

Something I realized, looking at this: The Romance styles are based on Irrational Ego functions, whether as Base or Creative functions.

However, the Communication Styles are based on the Rational function in the Base or Demonstrative slots.

Not quite sure what to think of this...Why did Gulenko do it that way? Rather than grouping the types based on shared Rational Ego functions?

I don't think Gulenko was intending the Communication styles to be the Rational equivalent of the Romance styles, just an unrelated observation of how the types communicate. That's the impression I get, anyway.

[pianosinger]

I don't think Gulenko was intending the Communication styles to be the Rational equivalent of the Romance styles, just an unrelated observation of how the types communicate. That's the impression I get, anyway.

Sure. This all is being addressed further in the thread "New groupings for Romance styles?"

Back to Rational Ego styles, though...

What about Working Styles? And figuring out who your best work/business partner might be, based on Rational Ego functions?

Fe-Egos are: ESE, SEI, EIE, and IEI
Fi-Egos are: SEE, ESI, IEE, and EII
Te-Egos are: LIE, ILI, LSE, and SLI
Ti-Egos are: ILE, LII, SLE, and LSI

High compatibility would be the Fe and Ti Egos; and the Fi and Te Egos.
Average compatibility would be the Fe and Fi Egos; and the Te and Ti Egos.
Low compatibility would be the Fe and Te Egos; and the Fi and Ti Egos.
Not sure about the same/same relations...Maybe somewhere between High and Average?

[Jarno]

Thanks, slater

I've seen your chart before, but I didn't think to apply it in the context of my OP. But, it works.

what chart?

you didn't check the right page.

His ideas are exactly what you asked for.

[pianosinger]

what chart?

you didn't check the right page.

Chart, List, Whatever.

His ideas are exactly what you asked for.

Yes and No.

[Jarno]

Yes and No.

I think you might be focussing to much on the decision making part of the rational function.

Jung said that rational differs from irrational in the fact that rational functions provide a judgement. (therefor called Judging in mbti) and irrational is just observing.

Gulenko didn't use 'just observing' in his romance styles so why would 'judging' be part of the rational styles?

I think mental aggressive etc, seems more in line with the styles of gulenko.

Just my idea.