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    Ignatieff: ILI
    Harper: (LIE or LSE -> can sort of see a case for both, but I heard that he's pretty reclusive so that kind of suggests NT)
    Layton: IEI
    Duceppe: EIE
    May: ESE or LII (?)(gotta watch more of her)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Goddamn. Your politicians are even more δ than ours.
    Nah! They just understand how to wield Delta rhetoric because of the country's Delta integral type.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    For some reason I'd always considered Harper an LII, but I'm not sure why; my gut points to Gamma. INTp?
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    What a bunch of BULLSHIT, I couldn't stand the first two for more than a minute or so. Just slimy politician family values fake bullshit.

    Ok so I actually watched some of the next 3 and they were ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jughead View Post
    What a bunch of BULLSHIT, I couldn't stand the first two for more than a minute or so. Just slimy politician family values fake bullshit.
    They're leaders of mainline, centrist political parties pandering to a demographic that has "PVR Survivor" high on the list of priorities. What do you expect?
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    You forgot Canada's Ultimate Head Honcho:


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    Quote Originally Posted by jughead View Post
    What a bunch of BULLSHIT, I couldn't stand the first two for more than a minute or so. Just slimy politician family values fake bullshit.

    Ok so I actually watched some of the next 3 and they were ok.
    Ah, yes, Ignatieff. The guy who spent three decades living abroad in England and America, and then decided that quaint little Canada might not be so bad after all, if he was the Prime Minister of it. I expect once he loses, he'll leave again.
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    Just finished watching the English-language leaders' debate. Some thoughts:

    Ignatieff: Focused on truth, abstract moral questions (Ti), discussing Harper's character and what sort of man he is (Ne).
    Harper: Always focused on efficiency, productivity, and "what Parliament should be working on" (Te), dodges Ti moral questions.
    Layton: Focused on associating a negative emotional reaction with opponents, personally; calls opponents names designed to provoke emotional responses (Fe). Supports policy positions with emotional personal anecdotes.
    Duceppe: Focused on questioning Harper's motivations and intentions. Speculating on nefarious goings-on behind the scenes (Ni+Fe).

    My current typings of the leaders:

    Harper: LIE. I had previously typed him as LSE, but recently, and especially in this debate, I've been notice his complete lack of Demonstrative Se. He's always dry and matter-of-fact, almost never using a "pushy" tone of voice, instead focusing on calmly explaining his long-term plans.

    Ignatieff: I read a biography of his a while ago, and concluded that he seemed like an LII. This debate was entirely consistent with that conclusion. I probably have less respect for him than the others, because I've spent so much time doing my best to avoid the very flaws and weaknesses of character and reasoning that he seems to exemplify.

    Layton: Beta NF, I'd guess EIE for now. He's more alert than Duceppe, more involved, which to me suggests Extraversion.

    Duceppe: IEI. Half the time he's staring off into space when he talks, in that characteristic piercing Ni way. From my LII perspective, half of what he says seems to have very little connection to reality.

    I think it's pretty clear why Harper keeps winning -- he is Semi-Dual with Canada's integral type, EII, so he focuses on the practical implementation issues that Canadians tend to find valuable in a leader. Ignatieff, the Look-a-Like, has a bit better chance than the other two, whom, being Beta NFs, are Quasi-Identical and Extinguishment to the Canadian people. Layton can only find support in the various Beta niches in the cities, and Duceppe obviously only has support in Quebec -- which raises an interesting question. What is the integral type of Quebec? Obviously it must be very different from the ROC's EII, to cause such strong separatist sentiments. Beta NF? Gamma SF? Hmmm.

    Addendum: I almost forgot Elizabeth May. Maybe some Delta NF? For some reason I want to say IEE, but I can't quite pinpoint why. Maybe I'm getting "Supervisee" vibes or something.
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    It's over.
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    It's over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
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    what is pvr? The only thing I could find on it was a wiki entry on peak vehicle requirement. Loosely analagous to being a maximum tool to get the most votes. or yes a good politician. I wonder if the mean type in congress is SEE.

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