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    inspired by a comment i noticed in the chatbox, but i can't keep up there on my phone. somebody suggested Fi+Ne could be susceptible to this.

    i had to look up the word and i think its a super interesting concept. type related? why might certain types be more susceptible?

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    *impatience and dissapointment*

    reading more about it, it reminds me of what i've heard about the secret.

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    I have read about autosuggestion and from my own experience I can tell that it works just fine with a little practise. But I don't thinks this is remarkably type related. You have to put some 'faith' in it and I can imagine -polr types might not want to trust in the success of this method, but still, not really type related imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    inspired by a comment i noticed in the chatbox, but i can't keep up there on my phone. somebody suggested Fi+Ne could be susceptible to this.

    i had to look up the word and i think its a super interesting concept. type related? why might certain types be more susceptible?
    In my mixed cauldron of knowledge, I've absorbed that EII is the desire-creator(I think tcaudilllg pointed this out). Auto-suggestion sounds very much like desire-creation.

    So yes I definitely think it's type related, and maybe it goes for the rest of Delta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    Auto-suggestion sounds very much like desire-creation.
    I think it's not just that, desire and creation. Autosuggestion, referring to autogenic training for example could also be seen as the ability to fully control your body and it's functions (a combination of and so to speak).
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    In my mixed cauldron of knowledge, I've absorbed that EII is the desire-creator(I think tcaudilllg pointed this out). Auto-suggestion sounds very much like desire-creation.

    So yes I definitely think it's type related, and maybe it goes for the rest of Delta.
    what does desire-creating mean? coming up with motivations or something? i like the title, it sounds sexy.

    from my skimming on wikipedia it looks like success in auto-suggestion is related to high imagination and low willpower.

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    i'm personally far better at sticking to something after i've motivated myself than i am at motivating myself in the first place. if thats relevant.

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    I'll try to find my sources.

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    I think it's not just that, desire and creation. Autosuggestion, referring to autogenic training for example could also be seen as the ability to fully control your body and it's functions (a combination of and so to speak).
    Mind > matter = Intuition.

    But yes I do think it's more than what the title explicitly refers to.
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    To hell with the Secret.


    Then again, somebody may have told me to say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    from my skimming on wikipedia it looks like success in auto-suggestion is related to high imagination and low willpower.
    If you are referring to unconscious autosuggestion (like someone telling himself he can't do something and then he really can't do it), maybe. But if you mean someone who wants to give his own mind suggestions, I have to disagree. I even think a lot of willpower is required to make it work.
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    I can tell you that I would suck at that. Sounds something I would definitely not be fit for.
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    As per tcaudilllg:
    Beta Se (Aggression) <-> Gamma Se (Entitlement) <-> Gamma Fi (Equity) <-> Delta Fi (Desire)

    Beta Se (Strength) <-> Gamma Se (Right) <-> Gamma Fi (value) <-> Delta Fi (Drive)

    This is part of it. So, supposedly, according to theory, INFj is most tapped into the power of Desire / Drive. I take this as a direct reference to the human instinctual drive to procreate. This resource of energy is likely able to be directed to other areas(although everything you do in life is fundamentally tied to procreating / surviving).
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    thanks for looking that up.

    um...idk

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    My auto suggestion is a Subaru.
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    Desire/drive..

    I'd say that I have a healthy dose of skepticism. Things get filtered through my values, judgements, experience, etc., and something can't simply be suggested to me as true. I might entertain a lot of ideas, but I'm often indecisive.

    As for auto-suggestion specifically, I have an (I think?) LSE friend who tried to promote the Secret to me once. He's also in sales, and tends to repeat various mind-over-matter teachings for "success" that have a kind of "auto-suggestion" bent to them. I kind of roll my eyes when he talks like that. He's a little bit like that dad from Little Miss Sunshine sometimes. Overly positive. Even when we were kids, he'd say stuff along these lines too. Like I remember this time when we were playing around and trying to lift up the back end of a car.. and he'd say "light as a feather, light as a feather", thinking that would make it lighter to him (just a small example.. what I mean to say is that he's been thinking like that for as long as I can remember). That all said, I don't think it's type related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    As per tcaudilllg:
    Beta Se (Aggression) <-> Gamma Se (Entitlement) <-> Gamma Fi (Equity) <-> Delta Fi (Desire)

    Beta Se (Strength) <-> Gamma Se (Right) <-> Gamma Fi (value) <-> Delta Fi (Drive)

    This is part of it. So, supposedly, according to theory, INFj is most tapped into the power of Desire / Drive. I take this as a direct reference to the human instinctual drive to procreate. This resource of energy is likely able to be directed to other areas(although everything you do in life is fundamentally tied to procreating / surviving).
    This plus this:
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...d.php?p=136606
    extroverted perceivers - their actions or impulses (blind)
    introverted perceivers - their perception (hypnotized)
    extroverted judgers - thought explication (fated?)
    introverted judgers - thought implication (the only free type? which imlies our only freedom is value creation?)
    = Drive / Desire creation.
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    Or synthetic thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    My auto suggestion is a Subaru.
    She's got jokes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    In my mixed cauldron of knowledge, I've absorbed that EII is the desire-creator(I think tcaudilllg pointed this out). Auto-suggestion sounds very much like desire-creation.
    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    This is part of it. So, supposedly, according to theory, INFj is most tapped into the power of Desire / Drive. I take this as a direct reference to the human instinctual drive to procreate. This resource of energy is likely able to be directed to other areas(although everything you do in life is fundamentally tied to procreating / surviving).
    So does that mean only EII's can become Jesus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    i'm personally far better at sticking to something after i've motivated myself than i am at motivating myself in the first place. if thats relevant.
    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    what does desire-creating mean? coming up with motivations or something? i like the title, it sounds sexy.

    from my skimming on wikipedia it looks like success in auto-suggestion is related to high imagination and low willpower.
    Yea, I meant motivation if I wasn't clear. Willpower is different but related.

    Not sure of the accuracy / consistency, just deducing here:

     
    Willpower says "I will, because I want"
    Motivation says "I will, because I need"

    is willpower, focusing on wants.
    is motivation, focusing on needs.


    I don't think INFjs are readily able to do the auto-suggestion thing, I just think it's likely they are closer to that energy than other types.

    Quote Originally Posted by Divided View Post
    So does that mean only EII's can become Jesus?
    Pretty much.
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    The Secret tries to encourage people with stories of wealthy entrepreneurs who lose all of their capital in one fell swoop, only to hit their stride (and wealth) again with "positive thinking". I doubt it's EII related.

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    I think what the Wikipedia on this calls "willpower" would be better termed "inhibitions". Willpower and inhibitions can both manifest as stubbornness, but... wait, actually I'm not sure there's much of a difference. It's just a question of which of your multiple personalities you identify with when you're conflicted within.

    Willpower -> What you identify with
    Inhibitions -> What you don't identify with
    Stubbornness -> An external view of either

    In general use, "I tried to do such-and-such, but my willpower stopped me" makes little sense, as it's assumed that your willpower is aligned with what you "tried" to do.



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    auto-suggestion?

    What exactly is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    auto-suggestion?

    What exactly is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    auto-suggestion?

    What exactly is that?
    Giving oral stipulation, except to yourself.

    It's masturbatory.


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    when i made this thread i was thinking about people doing this on purpose, is there any difference in terms of what kind of people are prone to doing it in an unconscious and delusional kind of way?

    Quote Originally Posted by straytk View Post
    The Secret tries to encourage people with stories of wealthy entrepreneurs who lose all of their capital in one fell swoop, only to hit their stride (and wealth) again with "positive thinking". I doubt it's EII related.
    lol, idk really know much about the secret or how similar this auto-suggestion thing might be, it was just a random musing. do they seem similar based on what you know?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    I think what the Wikipedia on this calls "willpower" would be better termed "inhibitions". Willpower and inhibitions can both manifest as stubbornness, but... wait, actually I'm not sure there's much of a difference. It's just a question of which of your multiple personalities you identify with when you're conflicted within.

    Willpower -> What you identify with
    Inhibitions -> What you don't identify with
    Stubbornness -> An external view of either

    In general use, "I tried to do such-and-such, but my willpower stopped me" makes little sense, as it's assumed that your willpower is aligned with what you "tried" to do.
    i had some confusion about this very thing...like, would it really require lack of willpower, or would it require willpower? i think i see things in a pretty similar way that you do. thanks for this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    auto-suggestion?

    What exactly is that?
    a manifestation of EII's desire and instinctual drive to procreate based on needs. oral masturbation, except on yourself. i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    lol, idk really know much about the secret or how similar this auto-suggestion thing might be, it was just a random musing. do they seem similar based on what you know?
    I think it is, albeit, it's on the positive end. In the same school of thought as Norman Vincent Peale's "The Power of Positive Thinking".

    I suppose autosuggestion in general could be negative too (in which case, I'm susceptible to some of that myself).

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    "The Secret" is spiritual materialism, at least the way I saw it manifested when it became popular in northern California several years ago.

    But that's a trend I have seen anyway: this underlying thought process of "If I become spiritually more enlightened, then I will be rewarded with greater riches," etc. And it grosses me out.

    It also grossed out the LSE ex, though, so ... not sure if his dual were into it he would follow along with it.

    His mother, and one of his sisters, prob both ENFp, and both very susceptible to this kind of thinking, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
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    Hey, that's what I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
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    So far I recall two people believing in either "The Secret" (ESE) and "WTB Do We Know" (SLE). I don't necessarily disapprove them, I'm just calmly waiting for their results, without tying to curb their zeal. One miracle was supposed to happen last autumn, it was postponed for this year. Let's see.

    I myself believe in some oddities, however, I find theirs being autosuggestion as they defend those views before even having the results/evidence and claim that they have explanations.
    Some things are indeed impossible to happen without some sort of intelligence, like experiences of synchronicity - the events are connected by a meaning, which does not exist physically, but in some sort of conscience (eg. the written word "bird" with an actual bird). Whether this conscience is human psychic powers or some other spiritual beings (or something else?), I have no idea.
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