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    is this type-related/maturity level related/person related?

    Is being passive a bad thing?

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    I would think it's extraversion/introversion related.

    I don't think it's a bad thing. Extraverts will appreciate introverts going along with their initiatives without competition. Meanwhile as an introvert I like how extraverts do all the hard work of deciding things to do for me

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    Being passive is NEVER a bad thing. Killing someone is a bad and terrible thing, but not being passive, no.

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    What about letting someone die through your inaction

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Egbert Human View Post
    What about letting someone die through your inaction

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    lol; now you're getting me to evaluate (moral grounds) through (variation/change in circumstance and motivations); That would be negligent to let someone die because you're being passive, if you have the physical and mental capability to do something about it, if however you are still passive and do not have the mental and physical capability to help the person than it is still not wrong. Do you see now how a lot of our laws are made in such a fashion as to how my brain thinks naturally? This is why EII can be so great at law; through the capability of factoring situations in and interpretation of right/wrong and good/bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matilda View Post
    is this type-related/maturity level related/person related?

    Is being passive a bad thing?
    I think it's type-related to an extent, but that other factors (like depression) can influence it as well.

    I think it's a bad thing. Passive people don't confront; they hide or just let things roll over them. That's no way to live. I wouldn't suggest going to the other extreme and steamrolling over everyone, either. This is one of the things I learned about in a Psych class.
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    there are unhealthy extremes to any type of behavior.

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    Being passive/active in what setting? In what context? It's impossible to say that any one word is type-related.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    lol; now you're getting me to evaluate (moral grounds) through (variation/change in circumstance and motivations); That would be negligent to let someone die because you're being passive, if you have the physical and mental capability to do something about it, if however you are still passive and do not have the mental and physical capability to help the person than it is still not wrong. Do you see now how a lot of our laws are made in such a fashion as to how my brain thinks naturally? This is why EII can be so great at law; through the capability of factoring situations in and interpretation of right/wrong and good/bad.
    Law doesn't give a shit what is good or bad. Law is not a conscious entity, it's a manmade construct. Any decisions as to what is "right" or "wrong" in terms of law can only be what goes with the law and what goes against it. What constitutes as morality can only be determined by the individual, and any external impositions of law placed upon that individual morality can only be a detriment to the individual morality. Law is just a sequence of numbers in a computer that give a specific output depending on the data; there's no humanistic morality in there at all. The only morality that can even remotely exist in regard to law exist only in the people who create the laws and within their own personal senses of good and bad (sometimes).
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    Quote Originally Posted by matilda View Post
    Is being passive a bad thing?
    Depends on who you ask.



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    passive can be very bad. what about allowing someone to abuse you? Or worse, your children?
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    What about lenient vs overbearing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    What about lenient vs overbearing?
    I'm probably biased with this assessment but I'd say that lenient is much better than overbearing, especially when it comes to parenting. But this also depends to some extent on the temperament of the children. For example, with my girls, they're harder on themselves than I would ever be. I'm the one who has to beg them to stop studying, to have fun and live a little! Now granted, they're only 11 so maybe this will change in time. But if I had a kid who was a real slacker or a bully or something, I'd have to be a little less lenient and extend some stronger boundaries.
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    But isn't Ni passive?

    Isn't Ni just looking at the world, waiting for an opportunity to present itself, and grabbing it?

    Isn't Ni doing nothing when you know that that something will be done anyway without you doing anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Egbert Human View Post
    What about letting someone die through your inaction
    I take the action of killing someone as morally worse than letting someone does through inaction.

    That being said, I am frequently passive in most everything. I don't think anything is inherently 'good' or 'bad' though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    No, not particularly.
    care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matilda View Post
    But isn't Ni passive?
    Well, it's not as if Ni acts separately from other IEs in people.

    In myself, Ni is often about seeing what is likely to go wrong (and right), and rather than merely sit by and let things take their course, I act and advocate in response to what I am aware of.

    Isn't Ni just looking at the world, waiting for an opportunity to present itself, and grabbing it?
    Maybe Ni does involve, in some people, waiting for an opportunity to present itself--but the act of grabbing it isn't passive, is it? Grabbing is not the same as being swept along by life.

    I'd say I cultivate opportunities rather than wait completely passively for them to appear, personally.

    Isn't Ni doing nothing when you know that that something will be done anyway without you doing anything?
    This just sounds kind of unhealthy to me, taken too far. Not sure it's descriptive of anything Socionically. I mean, I can think of instances where I know very well that something will be done by someone in response to a situation and leave it to them to handle it rather than interfere, but others do this for me, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    there are unhealthy extremes to any type of behavior.
    this.

    i think there are trends with type, like i think an Ip would be more likely to be or be perceived as passive than an Ej. i think this is one of those things that is also really heavily influenced by other factors like upbringing.

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    Depends who with who interacts. Usually, the Extratims are the ones who take initiative and tend to take the active role in casual interaction, but that's not a rule IME. I recall that in a group of friends, an IEI was the one who was making most propositions, for example where should we party, when and how - others conforming to his ideas if they felt like.

    Technically, it's probably impossible to tell apart the tendencies of types, but there is this impression that Introtims initiatives are some sort of "reverberations" of what Extratims inseminate in the relationship in advance (when they're opposite on this dichotomy), the subjects, the topics, the type of activities. It's this image of Introtims as having independent interests, but gravitating around the main interests of the Extratims when they interact, a vibe of "giving back" or reacting, rather than acting.

    I talk much more with Introtims, I think it says it all in my case. I find hard to talk about subjects that don't interest me and talking to Extratims feel like they're slippery and constantly try to push their own agenda. Overall...
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    I'm passive if I think someone else should be in charge. I'm active if I'm around incompetant or unwilling people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt View Post

    Technically, it's probably impossible to tell apart the tendencies of types, but there is this impression that Introtims initiatives are some sort of "reverberations" of what Extratims inseminate in the relationship in advance (when they're opposite on this dichotomy), the subjects, the topics, the type of activities. It's this image of Introtims as having independent interests, but gravitating around the main interests of the Extratims when they interact, a vibe of "giving back" or reacting, rather than acting.
    Yes, I do this.
    I talk much more with Introtims, I think it says it all in my case. I find hard to talk about subjects that don't interest me and talking to Extratims feel like they're slippery and constantly try to push their own agenda. Overall...
    I've heard other E types say the same thing.
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    What about letting someone die through your inaction
    What were they doing in a situation where they're gonna get killed in the first place. Why wasn't their intuition strong enough to simply avoid the situation? Doesn't the victimized party have any responsibility to save their own damn selves? And how are you helping by stupidly throwing yourself in danger. That's not brave, that's reckless.

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    Is being passive a bad thing?
    If you act 'active' like an annoying heterosexual person, I will just villainize you in one of my stories. It's better to just be cute and quiet and faggy, so i can love you and want to protect you. Okay? Make passive hugs, not active drugs. <3 If you want to fight something, and if you need to be 'active' then go beat up trashcans in your yard or something. Go take karate classes. I don't know. Go beat up your pillow. Because the last thing we need in this world is one more heartless thug.

    And I wouldn't act so righteous about this if you also asked the opposite question out of fairness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Make passive hugs, not active drugs.
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    I don't think that it is type related or easily pinned down to any particular factor.
    Some of the most passive people I know are extraverted and some of the most active is introverted.

    You could be active/passive in relations, opportunities, getting your life on track, getting it off track,
    and I can't see how this is typerelated even in what part of life you're active/passive in.

    Seems to be a mix of types, how they were raised, what friends they have, what their interests are, what
    philosophy/religion they subsribe to, intelligence, opportunities, restrictions, physical and mental health, etc...

    To be able to tell if being passive is good or bad thing, you must know what you think is good, if you even think
    there are such things as good and bad, or if you just care about the approval of others; what they find good or bad.

    Being passive could be seen as an active choice not to do a specific thing.

    Ask yourself how it would affect you if it was good/bad.

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    Type related? I think introverts are typically somewhat more passive, and intuitives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    What were they doing in a situation where they're gonna get killed in the first place. Why wasn't their intuition strong enough to simply avoid the situation? Doesn't the victimized party have any responsibility to save their own damn selves? And how are you helping by stupidly throwing yourself in danger. That's not brave, that's reckless.

    100 chapters of gay ranting, and you guys still don't learn your lessons. *sigh* Oh well. 100+ more to go, on their way!

    Being passive is ironically stronger. Like Xena says, as soon as you pick up a sword, you become a target.
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    Let's say a 12-year-old girl or boy is being attacked by a group of older children in the street through no fault of their own. You can just call the police for them--you don't have to be their personal superhero.

    Er, I'm pretty sure some people have been successfully prosecuted for crimes by not acting in instances like that.

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    lol @ the smoke filled room video above...

    If it were me I'd have said something at about 3 seconds. Now, is that because I'm an ESE, or because I just know large amounts of smoke = bad.

    In regards to the topic, I can sometimes be a bit passive, but I'm much more active at work than I'd ever be outside of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cracka View Post
    lol @ the smoke filled room video above...

    If it were me I'd have said something at about 3 seconds. Now, is that because I'm an ESE, or because I just know large amounts of smoke = bad.

    In regards to the topic, I can sometimes be a bit passive, but I'm much more active at work than I'd ever be outside of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    Hi cracka! how are ya?
    Doing pretty good these days, took a few weeks off work to visit family and the day I got back I got a promotion and a fat raise to go with it. That's helping to keep me in a decent mood at this point...lol. Other than that, not much changes from day to day with me.

    What's new with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cracka View Post
    Doing pretty good these days, took a few weeks off work to visit family and the day I got back I got a promotion and a fat raise to go with it. That's helping to keep me in a decent mood at this point...lol. Other than that, not much changes from day to day with me.

    What's new with you?
    wow, that's some welcome back surprise! lol Not much new with me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cracka View Post
    Doing pretty good these days, took a few weeks off work to visit family and the day I got back I got a promotion and a fat raise to go with it. That's helping to keep me in a decent mood at this point...lol.
    That's cool. Good mood always follows that, LOL!
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