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    Default enneagram type one wings: 1w9 vs 1w2

    Those of you that know the enneagram pretty well, how would you classify the differences between these two wings? What stands out the most for differentiating the two?

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    the w2 is more chipper and 'helpful'. they tend to be drawn to doing things, even in your type as an LSI, that will create a situation of "doing a favor" for someone. They seem a lot closer to E3s than the 1w9s; 1w9s are more stoic.

    Dr Phil might be an LSI 1w2
    uhh Hank hill is a classic LSE but he's a 1w9 I'd say, and can resemble an LSI


    Both elements of 1 will have a "rightness" about them, but the 2ws will come aross as more personal in a 2/engaging way, and the 9 wings will be more sort of detached in how they are right.

    Spock is 1w9, or at least resembles it more than say Dr Phil does, who is more like a 1w2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    Dr Phil might be an LSI 1w2
    uhh Hank hill is a classic LSE but he's a 1w9 I'd say, and can resemble an LSI
    Yes, its one reason why people think Abbie is a LSI. They resemble a lot of an actual LSI.
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    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    LSE's won't react to Fe the same way, though. They aren't looking for 'an emotional release', which LSIs do, even if they put on the stoic face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    LSE's won't react to Fe the same way, though. They aren't looking for 'an emotional release', which LSIs do, even if they put on the stoic face.
    True. But, I can't help to think that LSI 1w9, especially compare to other LSIs, If they react to Fe comparable to LSE 1's, especially to more outlandish extrovert emotions because deep inside they want to control/contain themselves; self control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    I've studied enneagram for nearly 34 years and found out that 1w9 is the Obersturmführer subtype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    the w2 is more chipper and 'helpful'. they tend to be drawn to doing things, even in your type as an LSI, that will create a situation of "doing a favor" for someone. They seem a lot closer to E3s than the 1w9s; 1w9s are more stoic.

    Dr Phil might be an LSI 1w2
    uhh Hank hill is a classic LSE but he's a 1w9 I'd say, and can resemble an LSI


    Both elements of 1 will have a "rightness" about them, but the 2ws will come aross as more personal in a 2/engaging way, and the 9 wings will be more sort of detached in how they are right.

    Spock is 1w9, or at least resembles it more than say Dr Phil does, who is more like a 1w2
    closer to E3 in what way? Also, you've probably talked to me enough to have an opinion on how I come across - how would you characterize me?


    Quote Originally Posted by 07490
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu
    Originally Posted by Ryu
    LSE's won't react to Fe the same way, though. They aren't looking for 'an emotional release', which LSIs do, even if they put on the stoic face.
    True. But, I can't help to think that LSI 1w9, especially compare to other LSIs, If they react to Fe comparable to LSE 1's, especially to more outlandish extrovert emotions because deep inside they want to control/contain themselves; self control.
    hmm. I'm going to take a closer look at w2 as a possibility.

    Any other ideas?

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    hmm squark you look like a classic sp/sx LSI-Ti 1w9 to me. but then of course people will always have their alternative wing showing up from time to time. But fundamentally, your natural wing is like more "automatic".


    I have observed quite a few LSIs in past years, but its nothing in depth. one kind of LSI who seems to process a heavy 2 wing is So/Sp E-1. like they have a sense of responsibility to take care of significance, whoever they are, society/family/best friend.

    LSI-c like your type just doesn't have this obvious sense of need to take care of other or even control others if their 2 wing manifest to that way.

    But hey since sp/sx is so formidably bond to those they care deeply, and its a matter of life commitment, I wouldn't be surprise if you guys do whatever it will take to care for those people. "the quiet supporter" is really a great word to describe this subtype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
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    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    2 wing is more people oriented and controlling and critical of people. They also have a desire to be more helpful. They also might be a bit fluffier in their opinions then 1W9, who have more cold worldviews. Ayn Rand was a good example of 1W9, Dr phil of 1W2 I would say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 07490 View Post
    hmm squark you look like a classic sp/sx LSI-Ti 1w9 to me. but then of course people will always have their alternative wing showing up from time to time. But fundamentally, your natural wing is like more "automatic".


    I have observed quite a few LSIs in past years, but its nothing in depth. one kind of LSI who seems to process a heavy 2 wing is So/Sp E-1. like they have a sense of responsibility to take care of significance, whoever they are, society/family/best friend.

    LSI-c like your type just doesn't have this obvious sense of need to take care of other or even control others if their 2 wing manifest to that way.

    But hey since sp/sx is so formidably bond to those they care deeply, and its a matter of life commitment, I wouldn't be surprise if you guys do whatever it will take to care for those people. "the quiet supporter" is really a great word to describe this subtype.
    Okay. I'm not sp primary though, and I'm Se>Ti subtype.

    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon
    2 wing is more people oriented and controlling and critical of people. They also have a desire to be more helpful. They also might be a bit fluffier in their opinions then 1W9, who have more cold worldviews. Ayn Rand was a good example of 1W9, Dr phil of 1W2 I would say.
    Yeah, okay. I'm way more Rand-ish than Dr. Phil-ish in my worldviews and the way I deal with people. Dr. Phil is way too fluffy and cheesy for my tastes. I easily and willingly help people who need it or ask for it, but it's not someting I LOOK to do, or try to find ways to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    Okay. I'm not sp primary though, and I'm Se>Ti subtype.


    Really? oh I thought you are SP DOminant in a strikingly so way. Ann Rayn is Sp/Sx, and Gilly thinks so too.
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    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
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    1w2s express their anger more openly... 1w9s try to appear dispassionate....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertical Grizzly View Post
    1w2s express their anger more openly... 1w9s try to appear dispassionate....
    If I'm angry, it's obvious. Definitely not dispassionate.

    Quote Originally Posted by 07490
    Really? oh I thought you are SP DOminant in a strikingly so way.
    Why do you say so? Reading description after description of 1 stackings, and sp primary is not me at all. That is not where I focus, not my main concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    If I'm angry, it's obvious. Definitely not dispassionate.



    Why do you say so? Reading description after description of 1 stackings, and sp primary is not me at all. That is not where I focus, not my main concern.
    Aww I don't want to sound like a know it all and tell you what type you are and seems like I know you more than you know yourself.

    But I will tell you about my opinion. Social-Sexual-Self preserve is all an instinct, and instinct is something you act on, an approach. I have talked to you a few times I though your energy is directed inward first. I assume you are thinking you are a sexual type, and what I think about you is that you do intrude you sexual energy but is more subtle. since I believe that your first instinct is something you can't control and people later on in their life even realized that they should limit this instinct and not over use it and try to work on their second instinct. The second instinct, people always want to prefect it and it's the one that gives people the most pain because it gives you the most doubt. Sometime I feel like your second instinct is like the producing function in socionics; that you need to produce it and create it thus not too natural and smooth. and your first instinct is like the accepting function in socionics, very much want to limit the use of it as you get older and people don't really need to create this energy as its like automatic.


    Back to you I think that LSI-C E-1 are all SP/SX. when I type LSI now I look for these stuff. I can be wrong tho unless I really see another Lsi that contradict this fact I would go head stick with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
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    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Thanks for the input. From here, I think I'll just kick things around on my own and see what I can turn up.

    Edit: Numbers, I didn't fully register what you were saying when I read this last night because my brain was elsewhere. Regarding the accepting function in socionics -you DO have control over it, and you have no desire whatsoever to limit it. Yes your lead (socionics) function is the lens through which you view the world, and yes, you're always using it. However, you do have control over it. It makes no sense to say that you don't. I'm not a slave to Ti, nor do I want to limit it. I'm always using it, but I also enjoy using it. And you can't tell me that Si leading don't enjoy Si, or Ne leading don't enjoy using Ne and so on. There's no desire to LIMIT it, but instead people want to be free to use it and apply it as they see fit.

    Okay, back to enneagram again. Assuming what you're saying is true regarding your first instinct, then it becomes even less likely for me to be sp first. I've never been bound by sp needs, and don't need to limit any usage here because it is not overused. I think I have just the right balance there - neither excessive recklessness, nor excessive prudence. It's easy. (this is assuming sp instinct is related to security, financial management, making sure you have food to eat, shelter and so on. Anyone is welcome, and please do expand my understanding on this if it's limited or wrong.) And easily shoved aside for other needs. Sp stuff doesn't trap me.

    Where I get into trouble is through thoughtless actions, assuming the best, and so not being prepared for potential negative happenings. Which is why, as of yesterday, I now have a car with a caved in roof and hood. And that's why my mind was elsewhere, so that I didn't really read what you wrote. I get myself into things where people are bound to ask, "what the hell were you thinking?" and it's because I'm not thinking about anything that could go wrong. I just assume it'll all be fine. It doesn't register to me that something could happen, and I have many scars to prove that. So, if there's an instinct that I don't control well and tend to overuse, it's related to that kind of thing. Overconfidence that usually works out fine, but ocassionally bites me in the ass.
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