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    Default Delta views on productivity and laziness/slacking

    Do they exist? Should I retype SEI or IEI?

    There usually seems to be an emphasis on Delta's focus on "productivity". I really couldn't care about that half of the time. Often, I might emphasize what's a productive angle or subject to focus on, but it's hardly anything to do with needing to jump out into the "real world" and "implement" work. I imagine that it may be different for extroverts (ISTp and INFj just don't strike me as the big "jumping out into action" types, unless absolutely necessary), but I could be wrong.

    Also, I'm curious about some wikisocion EII entries. They seem contradictory.


    6. Introverted Sensing
    EIIs tend to build up stress related to their work-related activities and go overboard in their attempt to be exemplary at work and in all other areas of life. They need people and situations to help them relax and take it easy and forget about their idealism for a while to just enjoy the moment as it is.

    EIIs can be prone to laziness and always seek the most convenient way in doing things. Moreover, rather than prioritizing their tasks based on their level of urgency or/and importance, they prefer to complete the tasks based on their liking and at their own pace.

    When they are preoccupied with a hobby, they tend to lose track of time and can be late with their appointments with others. As a result, they don't really have good time management skills.



    In their work they are sluggish and scrupulous.

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    i've also noticed the contradictions there but somehow i still think it fits me. i'm not sure how to explain it (maybe its just a forer thing).

    but i think you can go overboard while still wanting to do things at your own pace and most conveniently - like the major thing i got criticized for at my old job was taking too long to proofread reports because i wanted to take my time and do a good job and because i had a certain method of going about it that would have gotten messed up if i had tried to do it faster. so it was laziness in that way (not being willing to innovate the way i did things) but it was still a willingness to put in the time and going overboard. does that make sense?

    i can definitely be a slacker and i can definitely be exacting and hardworking...these are both things that exist in me, so idk..

    anyway, this is just me...i'm curious about more comprehensive answers to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    i've also noticed the contradictions there but somehow i still think it fits me. i'm not sure how to explain it (maybe its just a forer thing).

    but i think you can go overboard while still wanting to do things at your own pace and most conveniently - like the major thing i got criticized for at my old job was taking too long to proofread reports because i wanted to take my time and do a good job and because i had a certain method of going about it that would have gotten messed up if i had tried to do it faster. so it was laziness in that way (not being willing to innovate the way i did things) but it was still a willingness to put in the time and going overboard. does that make sense?

    i can definitely be a slacker and i can definitely be exacting and hardworking...these are both things that exist in me, so idk..

    anyway, this is just me...i'm curious about more comprehensive answers to this.
    That makes sense.. Although I don't identify with it exactly (but I kind of understand).

    I don't consider myself a hard worker (yet). Even with my hobbies, I'm kind of half-baked about it. For example, I've been playing guitars for 20 years. I'm probably not as good as many who have played that long (especially in being meticulous about music theory). It's more like therapy for me or something. It's just a way to relax and be creative. I don't care to do anything with it either (professionally speaking).

    Also, I've hated all of my jobs. Most people would hate a lot of my jobs. I quit most of them easily, instead of saw them as things to overcome or to be exemplary at. Ultimately, I'd like to finish school (something else I haven't fully committed to) and work in libraries. Why? Libraries are relaxing environments. Mentally stimulating perhaps. I'd also like to write on the side. Another "semi-lazy" profession. Speaking of writers, most days I look like that character Johnny Depp played in Secret Window. Except I wear pajamas instead of a bath robe.

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    Yes I am very very sluggish, but I'm very meticulous and I'm just the right person to get a job that requires many planful actions, methodical approach, discipline, and analness (aka accuracy).

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    The only type to not be a straight slacker in my opinion is ESTj.

    If they are lazy:
    ISTps are lazy from focusing too much on suitability. IP energy.
    INFjs are lazy from focusing too much on their attitudes towards things. IJ energy.
    ENFps are lazy from focusing too much on abstract ideals. EP energy.
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    ISTP's are probably some of the biggest slackers.

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    This thread isn't specifically about me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker View Post
    This thread isn't specifically about me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker View Post
    This thread isn't specifically about me?
    Be the poster child, if you'd like.

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    I'm a definite slacker as well.
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    haha I'm prolly the biggest slacker ever. In fact slacking right now
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    Everybody is a slacker, according to the LSE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    Everybody is a slacker, according to the LSE.
    uh oh
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    But it's no big deal. Haters gonna hate. Slackers gonna slack.

    So long as you don't mind being nudged about how to do things more efficiently
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    But it's no big deal. Haters gonna hate. Slackers gonna slack.
    And winners gonna win.
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    I'm as lazy as you can get.
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    LSEs value productivity, but will relax if they feel they deserve it. As Eps, IEEs are unproductive in spurts. SLIs are a watched pot that doesn't boil. So go away and they'll have done something productive when you get back. EIIs wish they were more productive, but often lack the initiative.
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    Add me to Team Slacker, please. I nominate myself for captain.

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    ok. time to bake cookies. *preheats oven*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    ok. time to bake cookies. *preheats oven*
    don't forget the one's without the gluten

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    I know an ISTp who puts off shit all the time. I think part of it is just that he's a 9 and doesn't feel motivated enough in general lol.
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    I think any type can be lazy, even an LIE. It's how you think, not what you do.

    Socionics is interesting because it explores the peculiarities and intricacies of your own thoughts.

    Is an IEI 'lazy' just because they aren't as physically noticeable as some types? To write well, I have to put in just as much effort as an athlete does. It's just a different kind of effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by straytk View Post
    Do they exist? Should I retype SEI or IEI?
    Personally, this is the biggest source of internal tension; much more so than Fe POLR.

    I value productivity, and when I am productive, I am very productive. However, I also experience significant bouts of laziness which does not help my self esteem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by force my hand View Post
    I value productivity
    I do, too. Which is why it bothers me when I spend significant periods of time not doing or accomplishing anything. Or not making any visible/measurable progress, when I know I'm capable and have the potential. Sometimes I'd work very hard but I need to "wait" for the results to show, and this creates tension as well. I want to see immediate results of whatever I am/have-been doing, or I get nervous and skeptical of my efforts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by force my hand View Post
    Personally, this is the biggest source of internal tension; much more so than Fe POLR.

    I value productivity, and when I am productive, I am very productive. However, I also experience significant bouts of laziness which does not help my self esteem.
    Oooh, same here. But I get overwhelmed, stressed, and depressed if I work too much, so it's a double-edged sword.

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    Procrastination doesn't seem type-related to me. However, different types might have different reasons for procrastinating, and what they don't like about it. If you don't value productivity though, then perhaps you're not delta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by force my hand View Post
    Personally, this is the biggest source of internal tension; much more so than Fe POLR.

    I value productivity, and when I am productive, I am very productive. However, I also experience significant bouts of laziness which does not help my self esteem.
    Quote Originally Posted by April View Post
    Oooh, same here. But I get overwhelmed, stressed, and depressed if I work too much, so it's a double-edged sword.
    Actually i relate to this as well. I am going through a bout of laziness at the moment and there is this voice in my head constantly telling me I should be more productive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by straytk View Post
    6. Introverted Sensing
    EIIs tend to build up stress related to their work-related activities and go overboard in their attempt to be exemplary at work and in all other areas of life. They need people and situations to help them relax and take it easy and forget about their idealism for a while to just enjoy the moment as it is.

    EIIs can be prone to laziness and always seek the most convenient way in doing things. Moreover, rather than prioritizing their tasks based on their level of urgency or/and importance, they prefer to complete the tasks based on their liking and at their own pace.

    When they are preoccupied with a hobby, they tend to lose track of time and can be late with their appointments with others. As a result, they don't really have good time management skills.



    In their work they are sluggish and scrupulous.
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    I strongly relate to ALL of this!!!

    Maybe i really AM EII!
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    Aye, I know for me I am quite slack, but still manage to get everything done to a good standard and handed in on time (uni student) even though I never really seem to work on it.
    I mean 90% of my waking hours I just sit, stare out the window, play a bit of guitar maybe and when I look back at the end of the day I think, "Man, I so should have been more productive today. Hang on, I finished that 2500 word essay...how did that happen?!?!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    whoa

    I strongly relate to ALL of this!!!

    Maybe i really AM EII!


    There is nothing that would be exclusive to one delta NF over the other in regard to what you put in bold, and even that whole section in general.

    It shouldn't be taken as anything significant in regard to you being EII>IEE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by April View Post
    Oooh, same here. But I get overwhelmed, stressed, and depressed if I work too much, so it's a double-edged sword.
    I always thought that to be kind of weird, in dealing with some. You're going to be feeling bad no matter what you do, basically.


    At the same time, regulation I see myself as being in herently good at, so I don't really think there is any sense of "I'm immune to being a slacker", because clearly that isn't the case. I know IEIs who are more 'disciplined' than I have been; it's a matter of goal alignment and maturity about it all.

    It's sort of , ultimately, pick your poison - are you going to be feeling bad because you don't do anything, or are you going to feel stressed because you're putting in a lot of work? The only real difference, net-result wise, is that one version of it actually brings you some sort of additional benefit (that is, working) - although that's not always the case.


    If someone were in a place where you'd have to survive based only on your measures, the first form of 'poison' wouldn't help you at all, you'd just become depressed and die off because of inaction. Society can be a curious thing in terms of its influences.
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    I think it's good to find a balance between work and relaxing.

    One of my biggest challenges, personally, is just determining an appropriate, realistic amount of work to do in one day. I usually end up planning too much for one day, and it just ends up being taxing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post


    There is nothing that would be exclusive to one delta NF over the other in regard to what you put in bold, and even that whole section in general.

    It shouldn't be taken as anything significant in regard to you being EII>IEE.
    I see. OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaTim View Post
    when I look back at the end of the day I think, "Man, I so should have been more productive today. Hang on, I finished that 2500 word essay..."
    OMG I say the same things to myself every night!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    I think it's good to find a balance between work and relaxing.

    One of my biggest challenges, personally, is just determining an appropriate, realistic amount of work to do in one day. I usually end up planning too much for one day, and it just ends up being taxing.
    I'm starting to realize how much that actually is the case.

    It's kind of weird, in that, I have 'been nice' about not criticizing that actual productive capacity before, but, I realize there is actually an opportunity for me to do that in certain relations.

    But I feel somewhat weird in saying "You realize you're not going to be able to do that, right?"

    Maybe that's what Fe polr is good for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    I'm starting to realize how much that actually is the case.

    It's kind of weird, in that, I have 'been nice' about not criticizing that actual productive capacity before, but, I realize there is actually an opportunity for me to do that in certain relations.

    But I feel somewhat weird in saying "You realize you're not going to be able to do that, right?"

    Maybe that's what Fe polr is good for.
    I would be HIGHLY appreciative of someone who interjects such an opinion when necessary! i'm not a great judge of that myself.

    Today is a great example!! I should have been in bed 3 hours ago! And i'm still not done with everything i planned to do. Sigh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    I think it's good to find a balance between work and relaxing.

    One of my biggest challenges, personally, is just determining an appropriate, realistic amount of work to do in one day. I usually end up planning too much for one day, and it just ends up being taxing.
    This is a big problem for me as well.

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    Thought I would expand on my earlier post.

    I generally lack interest in the things I "should" be doing - these being mostly housework and schoolwork. With housework, there's just no interest whatsoever, and I don't know that there ever has been. With schoolwork, I put it off until the last possible moment and then get a lower grade than I could have gotten otherwise. I recognize the need to get out of that cycle (this is a long-running pattern), as it never works out for me.

    The thing I desire to be productive in is developing and writing my stories. I feel good when I accomplish a reasonable amount on it. It wouldn't hurt to work on my drawing skills, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    I would be HIGHLY appreciative of someone who interjects such an opinion when necessary! i'm not a great judge of that myself.

    Today is a great example!! I should have been in bed 3 hours ago! And i'm still not done with everything i planned to do. Sigh...
    I'm actually somewhat skeptical of that.
    And I"m not just saying it because of the "Taskmaster" thread.

    I think delta NFs only really appreciate it when they are 'emotionally receptive' to it. If it seems 'mean' or 'infringing upon their autonomy or sovereignty', they don't like it. And a lot of the time whether it seems mean or infringing is depending on whatever their feelings at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    I'm actually somewhat skeptical of that.
    And I"m not just saying it because of the "Taskmaster" thread.

    I think delta NFs only really appreciate it when they are 'emotionally receptive' to it. If it seems 'mean' or 'infringing upon their autonomy or sovereignty', they don't like it. And a lot of the time whether it seems mean or infringing is depending on whatever their feelings at the time.
    that could certainly be the case. And of course it also depends on HOW you say it.
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