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    Do you start to act more femininely playful around people you are comfortable or intimate with or when feeling impulsive and uninhibited? Were you ever surprised or embarrassed by this?

    Do you admire the intimate and provocative cognitions that women get to have with the world, whereas men are supposed to be serious, aggressive, and territorial?

    Does the male body invoke repulsion or indifference in your mind?

    So basically, SLI/IEE duality would be backwards. The male IEE would be more feminine and the female SLI would be more masculine. Makes sense?

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    We have friends who are a gay IEE/SLI couple, and the SLI is effeminate, and the IEE isn't at all effeminate.

    I realize this is off topic but I've seen it assumed that IEEs would be more effeminate and that isn't the case with this couple anyway. I thought it might be relevant in a tangental way maye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divided View Post
    Do you start to act more femininely playful around people you are comfortable or intimate with or when feeling impulsive and uninhibited? Were you ever surprised or embarrassed by this?

    Do you admire the intimate and provocative cognitions that women get to have with the world, whereas men are supposed to be serious, aggressive, and territorial?

    Does the male body invoke repulsion or indifference in your mind?

    So basically, SLI/IEE duality would be backwards. The male IEE would be more feminine and the female SLI would be more masculine. Makes sense?
    Yes, I can be what is considered quite feminine when I'm totally comfortable. I used to be embarrased and a little insecure about this, these days I recognise that my behaviour is a manifestation of my strengths and that there is no point adjusting who I am to fit a standardised norm.
    I think that the industry I work in and the crowds that I mix with are quite progressive with their attitudes towards traditional gender roles.

    Saying that I still identify strongly with my masculinity, I generallyfeel connected to both the male and female aspects of my personality. In my opinion there are two ways of really dealing with this, either you deny it, which leads to internal conflict or you intergrate, which leads to a more harmonious state.

    I don't find the male body repulsive, a mans body can be attractive.

    In reference to the part about duality... perhaps in some senses, however I think that there is no clear static polarisation. Perhaps each one can be more or less what is considered masculine or feminine at different times or even at one time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker View Post
    We have friends who are a gay IEE/SLI couple, and the SLI is effeminate, and the IEE isn't at all effeminate.

    I realize this is off topic but I've seen it assumed that IEEs would be more effeminate and that isn't the case with this couple anyway. I thought it might be relevant in a tangental way maye.
    Hey, wait. Can you explain that? An SLI acting feminine sounds really funny.

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    I don't find the male body repulsive, a mans body can be attractive.
    Okay. That question probably has little to do with type now that I think about it more.

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    There are SLI women, like Grace Kelly. There's no reason an SLI man can't be effeminate any more or less than any other man.
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    I agree with Slacker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CILi View Post
    Most the time, I'm pretty ridiculously feminine. My unconcious/neutral "me" just very much is. I've never really "disliked" or "been ashamed" of the femme-ness; but under stress, I jump to the other extreme and become caricature-ish-ly masculine (which, unlike soma is pretty darn necessary, seeing as I work in a kitchen with a troupe of "No Ingles" Beta-dudes who hate Newbie-Gringo's over-smily guts).

    FWIW, I've lived in the big-city Bible Belt most my life (and still do), so the whole conservative/traditional/Republican/Judeo-Christian/Merikuh! expectation is something I'm used to and comfortable with. Most people call my fakeness and think I'm douche-y when I try for "Serious, Aggressive, Territorial", so I pretty seldom consider "being mannish" anyway.

    In re: Man-Bods, it's so not my thing. Not repulsive per se, but I'm way indifferent. Curves are pretty much the only thing (human or not) that ever catch my eye.

    IME, I'm by far my best with "more-masculine-than-average" women, and once things pass the awkward "get-to-know-you" stage, they're pretty comfortable with me, as I'm not competing for all the "guy" traits and skills they like to flaunt. '

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    I like the way you come across in your videos. It's sweet. I dont think it's effeminate.
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    I only know one male IEE whose type I am confident in and hes more feminine than the average guy too lol. It doesn't really matter though just be yourself. It's better than trying to act macho and coming off like a jerk.
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    Calling it "feminine" or "effeminate" behavior already implies something not normal in a guy if he acts that way, and creates the taboo aspect of it... I have a straight IEE friend who acts in a way that other people might consider "effeminate," but it's just his form of confident self-expression.

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    I notice some IEE males can seem more feminine, but not always. Sometimes they actually come across kinda like ISTps.

    My ISTp female friend is a bit more serious and masculine I guess you could say, but these are really just stereotypes.
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    With the IEE guy I know best - his girlfriend definitely wears the pants. And holds the whip, and bought his ball and chain.

    Edit: Oh, and he has childbearing hips, and bakes. I don't know how indicative it is, but it's bizarre and unattractive (to me). But damn, his cookies are good...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divided View Post
    Do you start to act more femininely playful around people you are comfortable or intimate with or when feeling impulsive and uninhibited? Were you ever surprised or embarrassed by this?
    umm no, fuck no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Divided View Post
    Do you admire the intimate and provocative cognitions that women get to have with the world, whereas men are supposed to be serious, aggressive, and territorial?

    Does the male body invoke repulsion or indifference in your mind?
    nope, not that either. tbh most women kinda annoys the hell out of me with all their incoheretent emotionally biased bullshit except for some INTps or ISTps and the occasional julia bond-lookalike ISFp, so i don't really identify with them or admire them.

    i'm indifferent to male bodies, i mean i can see how guys look from a health-perspective or how much strength someone has.

    Quote Originally Posted by Divided View Post
    So basically, SLI/IEE duality would be backwards. The male IEE would be more feminine and the female SLI would be more masculine. Makes sense?
    yeah sure, if the male IEE part is more feminine and the female SLI part is more masculine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    I notice some IEE males can seem more feminine, but not always. Sometimes they actually come across kinda like ISTps.
    You know, I actually try to act like an ISTp in new situations or as a way for me to deal with stress or figure stuff out. But I'm much too clumsy to pull it off very well or for too long and tend to want to smile and laugh. I think sometimes this can seem insensitive if I laugh at something bothering someone when I'm just enjoying being able to share an understanding of something seemingly stupid or unpleasant.

    Come to think of it, I have a tendency to instinctively smile around people I like. This is what SLIs find reassuring, isn't it? At least that's what it seems like.

    So an SLI reassuring an IEE would be the following?

    IEE: Omg, so blah blah and blah blah...THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE!
    SLI: (I thought)/(Doesn't) it just meant that blah blah.
    IEE: Oh yeah(!) or you're right(!) *relaxes*

    ??
    That would make a lot of sense.

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    I could never have been with very masculine men. It's such a turn off. Probably because I feel just as manly on the inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    I could never have been with very masculine men. It's such a turn off. Probably because I feel just as manly on the inside.
    This seems to be a pattern with ST women, lol.

    Along a similar vein, I could't imagine being with someone who's as neurotic and emotional as I am. I get enough of that from myself as it is, even though I wouldn't consider myself to be too overtly feminine. I find that Fi men tend to not be that feminine, they tend to be more centered than not in terms of gender balance (in my experience). The only real 'girly' thing about male ENFps that I've seen consistently is how understanding they are of their own emotions and, generally, the emotions of others.
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