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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    Oh, ok, I see what you mean. I interpreted Galen's request to mean "Quick, give an example of Ni," rather than "Quick, use your Ni." Relating a story of her husband's use of Fi would be an appropriate response to the former, but not the latter.
    Right. Though I see now what I expected was probably not feasible.


    Hmm. This actually sounds like it might be more related to the Dialectical-Algorithmic Cognitive Style. ILI and EIE would think in this manner, but LIE and IEI would use the more random and chaotic Vortical-Synergetic style.

    Holographic types (LII, IEE, SLE, ESI) also build mental models, but of a different kind. In a way, you could say that Dialectical-Algorithmic types build dynamic mental models, while Holographic types build static mental models.
    Perhaps, perhaps not. What I was referring to strongly relates to Episodic memory. Except that instead of being restricted to "memory", situations can be recreated based on what I think something would be like. e.g. Imagining myself going outside, perceiving what I could do and where I could go. Then realizing I've experienced it all before, therefore becoming mentally exhausted / disinterested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    This, perhaps. Your Ni is 4-dimensional, while mine is only 3-dimensional, and therefore situational. I lack the ability to quickly perceive development over time. Though, I could probably manage it if I've encountered a similar situation in the past.
    That is actually Ne, isn't it? to see the situation develop over time? if it's Ni than I use that fairly easily, must be due to my demonstration function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd View Post
    I got my dosage from my LSE father who is super sensitive to the sound the car is making. "What's that noise?!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemon View Post
    Omg. try living with my mom. Things she talks about:
    the house is dirty
    the litterbox needs to be cleaned
    "I feel sick today"
    let me tell you about my sinuses
    My cold is getting better
    the car sounds weird today
    the dogs are shedding a lot

    LOL! It's all Si. (or maybe I'm mistyping it, IDK). whatever it is, it makes me want to punch myself in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igxfl View Post
    I'm not entirely sure what the ignoring function does. The wiki seems fairly contradictory. For example, it says "A person has very little use of this element," but later says "[The individual] sometimes uses it extensively in private, and can call upon it when necessary."

    I'm left with a lot of questions, most importantly:
    -What does the ignoring function do?
    -In what way is its information carefully chosen to fit the view of the leading function, as the wiki suggests, if the wiki is right and if I have interpreted it correctly?
    -What does it feel like to use the ignoring function?

    The ignoring function is the foundation of your base, it's your strongest instinct and probably what you were born being good at. It has an effect on everything you do, and even if you tried to, you couldn't be totally unaware of information related to it.

    For example, an SEI has as their ignoring, so they are constantly picking up information about the sensory environment and filtering it to produce pleasant sensations (base ). They could not maintain their sensory homeostasis without maintaining an Se awareness at all times. It's the same for all types:

    LSE - ignoring - uses what they know of rules and procedures to guide their selection of the most effective techniques ().
    IEE - ignoring - uses what they know about how processes change over time to select the best time to seize an option ()
    ESE- ignoring - uses what they know about how people really feel to select the right words, facial expressions, etc. to create a shared mood ()

    The ignoring function is so (subconsciously) natural to you that you don't recognize its enormous impact on your life, and it tends to have a more obvious impact on others (again, subconsciously). It's constantly working to protect you from outside influences. When it doesn't work, the 8th function is recruited as a secondary aid. This all happens rapidly at an instinctive level, there is little to no conscious thought involved.

    In a way, the ignoring sets limits on how one should live. But the standards apply to others more than to yourself. Thus, is it inherently hypocritical.
    in SxI sets boundaries on physical force
    in LxE sets boundaries on rules
    in IxI sets boundaries on alternative possibilities
    in ExI sets boundaries on emotional expressiveness
    in SxE sets boundaries on personal comfort
    in ExE sets boundaries on ethics

    Under stress, when tired/drunk or otherwise less than fully lucid, the ignoring function is expressed strongly. It always tries to act in a way that least impacts the POLR, but under stress, possible impacts on the POLR can be completely ignored. It's as though the ignoring says to society "My way or the highway!" and ignores convention. It fights to preserve the right to use that function however it wishes, and denies the same right to others.

    SLIs and SEIs become ruthless about appropriate use of force
    ESEs and EIEs become ruthless about appropriate standards of ethics
    IEEs and ILEs become ruthless about appropriate use of time
    LSEs and LIEs become ruthless about appropriate adherence to procedure
    ESIs and EIIs become ruthless about appropriate emotional expression
    IEIs and ILIs become ruthless about appropriate use of alternatives
    SEEs and SLEs become ruthless about appropriate use of sensual comforts
    LSIs and LIIs become ruthless about appropriate use of resources

    Thus the ignoring function has a dampening effect on others.
    Last edited by ConcreteButterfly; 03-30-2014 at 02:06 PM.

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