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    And do you think handedness can affect/help determine personality type? Or subtype?

    I am left-handed and an IEE. My sister is left-handed and an SEE.
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    right handed, and I think NTR
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    I'm mostly wondering about the type relatedness, since one article I read on Visual Identification (I'd have to dig around for the source), mentioned that handedness could be important in VI. Wondering why this would be... *shrug*
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    Right. SLI boyfriend is right as well.
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    ... how many threads like that do we need?

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    Right handed.

    Except for using the mouse, but that's just because it comes in handy in first person shooters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    ... how many threads like that do we need?
    What colour eyes do you have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    ... how many threads like that do we need?
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    What colour eyes do you have
    What are you wearing now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    ... how many threads like that do we need?
    I know :/

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    What are you wearing now?
    How many older brothers do you have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    I know :/



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    Mostly white, come to think of it.
    Wearing clothes.
    One.

    ... but even if you only count thread about handedness specifically, it's still too many. FTR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    ... how many threads like that do we need?
    Nevertheless, the idea did not originate with me.

    http://www.socionics.com/articles/notes.html

    from the above link:

    Some people claim they can V.I. by a single photograph, which undoubtedly involves lots of guessing. A single photograph could be useful as it can give many clues as to which Type a person on the photo is, but it can not be definitive. Only in very rare cases might a single photograph be enough. Also, it is essential to know the handedness of a person. Without it the photo could be pretty useless. But because majority of people are genuinely right-handed, it almost works in majority of cases. Glasses, hats, makeup, plastic surgeries, photo manipulations can throw even the expert off course. This is why it is necessary to have more information about a person than a single photo. A video, for example, already contains tons and tons of useful information. Meeting someone in person is highly recommended.
    And there's this: http://www.facedock.net/illustratorgallery.htm

    The concept is already out there...all I'm asking is whether anyone here thinks it carries any validity.
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    I'm right handed, but I can easily use my left as the 'main hand' in two-handed activities like shoveling, shooting rifles, ect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    ... but even if you only count thread about handedness specifically, it's still too many. FTR.
    Pardon me for not being here eight months ago the last time this topic might have been discussed (8 is an arbitrary number, btw, I don't really know when was the last time handedness was brought up here).
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    I doubt that many physiological constructs could possibly be type-related, since physiology is mostly genetic.

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    I think Ganin hews to outmoded ideas about lateralization of brain function, perpetuating the popular myth that the left hemisphere is coldly abstract and thinky while the right is passionately imaginative and feely. These ideas have been around since at least the 19th century and were popularized by the often wild conjecture surrounding the case of Phineas Gage. Subsequent neuroscience has shown the workings of the brain to be more complex than this gross over-simplification.

    Here's a good article on the origins and perpetuation of hemispheric folk-psychology: Left Brain, Right Brain: Science or the New Phrenology?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nil View Post
    I doubt that many physiological constructs could possibly be type-related, since physiology is mostly genetic.
    Actually right-handedness vs. left-handedness is a learned behaviour just like taste, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Actually right-handedness vs. left-handedness is a learned behaviour
    I don't believe this. Maybe it was true back in the 1800's when they forced left-handed kids to use their right hands in school. But, they were still obviously naturally left-handed.

    Some left-handed people may also choose to become proficient in the use of their right hands for simple ease of use of some tools and equipment (I use a computer mouse right-handed, for example; my left-handed sister learned to crochet right-handed).

    just like taste, etc.
    I don't believe taste is a learned behavior either. At least not completely. There may be certain experiences that affect what foods people like and dislike, but I also believe a lot of it has to do with physiology and one's individual taste buds...I've heard it said that one's taste buds change every seven years, so that it's possible to discover that you come to like something that you used to dislike, and vice-versa.

    But back to the handedness topic...

    My grandfather (LII) is left-handed. I also have a left-handed uncle (whose type I have not yet determined).

    Handedness is genetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Actually right-handedness vs. left-handedness is a learned behaviour just like taste, etc.
    I had never considered that...

    While I do believe that becoming ambidextrous is definitely a learned trait (assuming one does not already have sufficient abilities with both hands), I think that there is clear dominance and ease of use with one hand or the other when it comes to things like writing/eating/etc.

    One day the human genome will be completely mapped and we won't have a problem with any topics like these...

    Anyways, an article I found on the subject:
    http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=124

    tl;dr:

    Most likely, the environment plays a role. There are probably one or more genes that make you more likely to become left-handed. You then need some sort of environmental trigger for it to happen.
    I do love it when things are not so cut and dry.

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    Serious question! Which foot do you use to step over a puddle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    Handedness is genetic.
    That's probably why MZ (genetically identical) twins may differ on handedness... and about as often as DZ (fraternal) twins, who only share as much genetic material as regular siblings.

    Neither genetics, nor purely environmental influence alone can sufficiently explain handedness, though all may play a part. Prenatal factors are most likely, since twins are more often left-handed, but it must be something that can affect one or both of them. Similar impact on early brain development could be responsible for differences between MZ twins' personalities, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    That's probably why MZ (genetically identical) twins may differ on handedness... and about as often as DZ (fraternal) twins, who only share as much genetic material as regular siblings.

    Neither genetics, nor purely environmental influence alone can sufficiently explain handedness, though all may play a part. Prenatal factors are most likely, since twins are more often left-handed, but it must be something that can affect one or both of them. Similar impact on early brain development could be responsible for differences between MZ twins' personalities, for example.
    Do you think-- especially ni the case of twins-- that position in the womb might affect handedness?
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    For the record:

    In the course of the East Flanders Prospective Twin Survey (EFPTS), handedness was assessed as part of a genealogical study (Meulemanset al., 1995) in 1616 twins (808 twin pairs) aged 6 to 28. Our findings are that, in this large population-based study with known placentation and zygosity, the often observed higher frequency of left-handedness in twins is confirmed, that it appears to be independent of zygosity and chorion type, and that the belief that discordant handedness in monozygotic twins represents mirrorimaging is mythical.

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    Here's an interesting paper from 2000, "Handedness and hemispheric language dominance in healthy humans". The upshot: although left-handers are more often linguistically right-brained than right-handers are, most left-handers still instantiate language in the left hemisphere, just as most right-handers do.

    Regarding the OP, since heredity and environment both determine handedness as well as disposition, the surest answer to your questions is "Perhaps, though other factors of greater and lesser preponderance enter into the equation." Personally I think it has more to do with how you feel about using scissors or shaking hands than it does in playing a strong role in determining personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korpsey View Post
    Regarding the OP, since heredity and environment both determine handedness as well as disposition, the surest answer to your questions is "Perhaps, though other factors of greater and lesser preponderance enter into the equation." Personally I think it has more to do with how you feel about using scissors or shaking hands than it does in playing a strong role in determining personality.
    Oh, certainly. What I was trying to get at more is if it might be possible that some personality types have a higher percentage of left-handed people than other types? Or if more left-handed people tend to be one subtype over another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    Oh, certainly. What I was trying to get at more is if it might be possible that some personality types have a higher percentage of left-handed people than other types? Or if more left-handed people tend to be one subtype over another.
    It's possible but indeterminately so without clinical research. And I don't think validating socionics is a hot ticket item with many neurologists. Here are a few items pertaining to lefties and personality.

    Lefty Personality Traits - Left-Hand Dominant

    Handedness, sexual orientation, and gender-related personality traits in men and women.

    Left-handed people are more inhibited

    So, according to these articles, if you map sociotypes to their likelihood of comprising quick-witted, inhibited, homosexual leaders, you could well be on to something.

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    Right handed, aren't most people?
    Did a quick Google search and got around 8% make-up for Left handedness, so yeah...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    I don't believe this. Maybe it was true back in the 1800's when they forced left-handed kids to use their right hands in school. But, they were still obviously naturally left-handed.
    I'm not talking about 1800's here nor any forceful act. It is a learned behaviour simply because I said so.

    No, I'm joking

    There is a thread about left brain vs. right brain somewhere on here coupled with some tests, and if my memory serves me right Huitz (or something like that - I never can spell it) tried to do the "same".

    Some left-handed people may also choose to become proficient in the use of their right hands for simple ease of use of some tools and equipment (I use a computer mouse right-handed, for example; my left-handed sister learned to crochet right-handed).
    Yea, you learned, your sister learned. It's learned, it's an adaptive behaviour without one just withers and dies in extreme cases. 'Evolutionary' one will say after a really and I mean really long time.

    Left-handedness and right-handedness has a lot to do with us being infants, especially the way our mothers held us while breastfeeding, if you know what I mean

    I don't believe taste is a learned behavior either. At least not completely. There may be certain experiences that affect what foods people like and dislike, but I also believe a lot of it has to do with physiology and one's individual taste buds...I've heard it said that one's taste buds change every seven years, so that it's possible to discover that you come to like something that you used to dislike, and vice-versa.
    Sorry to burst your bubble but is learned as well and again, it is an adaptive process which helps one to survive in some environment that lacks "the food you like or dislike"

    EDIT: It's like liking or disliking people and in my case I'll gladly eat Obersturmführer even though I dislike him.

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