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    Lightbulb Visual Identification: Ni & "The Dreamy Look"

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    Dreamy: physically unfocused, environmentally detached, emotionally intense.

    Whatcha' think Willis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    I generally don't perceive eyes as dreamy… they usually seem clearer and more alert to me (but they're probably supposed to subjectively seem that way to me).
    Hmm, I got the opposite impression of Ni eyes, I know people talked about it some time ago. I always thought they would rather look passive and 'knowing'. In a way of stoically indifference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Is this Nicolas Cage? These eyes remind me of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Nah, it's a non-famous person—former boyfriend a more famous person that I came across while looking into said famous person, and could tell he was Ni-ENTj.
    Ah, okay. Now that I look at pictures of Cage, I see a difference. What do you think about William Fichtner? Does he have the Ni look?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    What do you think about William Fichtner? Does he have the Ni look?
    Sure does. I've had him down as Ni-ENFj for awhile.

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    Cool.
    And what do you think of those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    Cool.
    And what do you think of those?
    Ne/Si-valuing introvert I would guess. It's a bit dark though on my screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Ne/Si-valuing introvert I would guess.
    Those are mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    Those are mine.
    Oh, I thought your eyes were blue? At least for some reason my memory says they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Oh, I thought your eyes were blue?
    I also posted in that 'eye' thread. I don't know if you have seen it. But I made a new photo so it's not so easy to recognize them.
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    I don't think you can say something reliable about someone's eyes on a picture.

    Though in real life you can see the difference fairly easy between Sensing (landing their eyes) and Intuition (looking but not seeying)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    eyes


    They tend to be what I automatically try to interpret, instead of backing up and looking at the "bigger picture" if you will. I guess they stand out more/are more interesting to me. I'm really starting to get a feel for vs quadra eyes, because the feeling notions in eyes, versus the other 3, seem to stick out well. -valuing eyes look like a really internalized emotionality, where as -valuing eyes look to me like they're more aware of the external emotional/ethical presence and are trying to merge with it. Spanning 'outward' emotionally it seems rather detached from an internalization. I've noticed these differences in all types, not just the dominant ones. I think is also something you can clearly tell in pictures of me.

    I think these are a few good contrasting examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Looks like Brad Pitt.

    Ni eyes almost always strike me subjectively as sad, usually objectively as detached, glassy.

    For some reason I am often attracted to "Ni eyes" more than "Se eyes," which often feel more just plain and direct, and not infrequently have a sharpness in them, although some have a kind of softness. Ne eyes often strike me as having this casual but anxious lightness feeling in them. No real pattern with Si eyes except that LSEs usually look super sterile.
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    To me, Ni eyes tend to come across as an intense blankness of sorts. It's like there's a tension about them but I can't tell what it's focused on, so it can feel like just being tense without any necessity for it. This trait seems visible in the Ni-ENFj type composite I made, but I should probably get more Ni-type mashes to further illustrate this point.
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    The bottom two (bottom of left column and bottom of right column) and the top two in the left column look Ni to me. Although, the top one in the left column actually seems instinctively Se more than Ni, but still looks like it contains much Ni.

    What did you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    xxx xxxx|xxxxx



    Nice stuff.

    @No Longer a Dating Site & Ashton: Yeah, that's what I was trying to put out here! Right on. I was gonna put one for each IM, but it looks like it took off from here. Next one was gonna be which to me looks more "piercing" yet almost blank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limNol View Post
    That's funny. Although I've got to ask an IEI who's lost in thought what it is that she's thinking of (the ones I know are all female) it's still quite obvious to me that the wheels in her head are turning. And it's generally also plain for me to read her emotional state from posture and other bodily cues.

    From the other side, all the IEIs I've gone out with have complained that I can spontaneously erect a wall between us without warning and "disappear" before their eyes. Although I'll bust up laughing if an absurd image or sudden epiphany comes to mind, my usual expression while ruminating is a fixed frown. Because of this and the fact that I'm often described as intense or even forbidding (the latter by those who don't know me well), my gaze may appear distracted but probably not especially dreamy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless View Post
    Eyes:

    Dreamy: physically unfocused, environmentally detached, emotionally intense.
    @LostInDreams these look like your avatar, assuming that is your pic

    another example: this guy posted this pic as an example of Ni stare. his eyes look relaxed and apathetic, looking through the object rather than directly at it.




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    I'll bite.




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    Pfft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevero View Post
    @LostInDreams these look like your avatar, assuming that is your pic

    another example: this guy posted this pic as an example of Ni stare. his eyes look relaxed and apathetic, looking through the object rather than directly at it.



    It is indeed myself on my avatar.
    Thanks for the insight.

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    I don't generally buy into the whole VI thing, but I do think there is something to the Ni eyes thing. I've never met an Ni dom who didn't have that far off gaze (including myself).

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    Flicker back and forth between unfocused & unattentive to the surroundings. and Hyper focused and completely receptive to their surrounding stimuli. (Ni/Se Valued)
    I would say that ethically you are still supposed to act as if you have unilateral responsibility; but simultaneously you have to be able to see the other as a fully autonomous, free, aware person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suedehead View Post
    I'll bite.



    S-something, your eyes are directly focused 'fixed' on something which by this v.i. by demonstrative functions would mean a sensing type look


    some pics i've put together for the Ni "look"
    keywords: unfocused, diffuse, detached, distant, dissolving/annulling, tired, world-weary, unamused, transfixed/mesmerized.







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    @silke

    Ha, funny. My eyesight's poor so it never feels like my eyes are fixed on anything, which is why I'm sometimes caught off guard when I look at my reflection, or a photo. They can be pretty piercing.

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    The way I look at Ni eyes is that they are eyes that aren't "present" in a way that Se eyes are. That is probably because they aren't interested in focusing on their environment in the same way as an Se user would be. The mind is what is actively searching, not the eyes. The mind also wouldn't have the same reaction to visual stimuli and would appear a little slower in response times, unless the Ni user is specifically trying to focus on visual cues. This can be tiring though and is not likely to be sustained.

    Identifying it in someone is entirely subjective though and many Ni eyes just look like they belong to an introverted person in general. I think intuitive people can be found to have a more zoned out look, but zoning out is something that most introverts get caught doing, so the line is quite blurry between introverts that prefer sensing and those that prefer intuiting, although I would expect INxxs to be the most zoned. Again, too much subjectivity here. So we may have to look at something like frequency and duration in people to gain cues that they aren't much paying attention to their environment. At this point it would be much more efficient to just have them take a test and try and identify with one of the types, but as many of us have found out, this isn't necessarily reliable either.

    I think the best way is to see what occupies a person's mind most of the time. This is not an easy task and is time consuming, but it would be the most reliable in the long run. In other words, find out what the person likes to think about as a starting point. Celebrity typing is only useful if there are enough genuine interviews where they are asked numerous questions about a variety of different topics. I think those would be difficult to come by.

    Personally, I place very little stock in visual typing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    some pics i've put together for the Ni "look"
    keywords: unfocused, diffuse, detached, distant, dissolving/annulling, tired, world-weary, unamused, transfixed/mesmerized.






    there is one set of Se eyes here, i wonder if anyone can tell which

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    S-something, your eyes are directly focused 'fixed' on something which by this v.i. by demonstrative functions would mean a sensing type look


    some pics i've put together for the Ni "look"
    keywords: unfocused, diffuse, detached, distant, dissolving/annulling, tired, world-weary, unamused, transfixed/mesmerized.







    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    there is one set of Se eyes here, i wonder if anyone can tell which

    this?


    also:

    this looks like Si-ego vaguely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    there is one set of Se eyes here, i wonder if anyone can tell which
    RiRi's? As we both see her ESI, although was it a mistype at one point as ego for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    there is one set of Se eyes here, i wonder if anyone can tell which
    top row, left?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalinoche View Post
    top row, left?
    count?

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    Only 3 sets of those eyes looked particularly "dreamy" to me.

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    No dirty brown-eyed people accepted among Ni folk

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    No dirty brown-eyed people accepted among Ni folk

    "When I ought to be thinking of heaven he will nail me to earth"

     







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    Quote Originally Posted by silke View Post
    count?
    not sure what you mean, but if we start counting from the top left, then 1
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