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  • they do a good job of describing romantic/"woo"-ing behavior

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  • they create labels for the interplay of perceiving functions regardless of the type of relationship

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    Default another thread about the erotic roles

    i know these have been discussed a million times, but i'm curious about the current general consensus/take on them.

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    they are useless and describe nothing

    Mostly because I'm single and don't care to change it atm.

    So much for me tapping into my Ne side.

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    um...for those who think the erotic roles describe sexual or romantic behavior, how would you describe this likely playing out for infantiles? i have yet to see a serious summarization of "sexual infantilism" that makes any sense to me argh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    What're you trying to convince yourself of?
    Nothing in particular really. I'm just me. My education on socionics though is still a work in progress. I'll probably be more confident where I fall sooner or later.

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    They are applicable..evidence may be not be explicit though since everyone is raised differently. I think in one-on-one situations they become most apparent, if indeed types have functional needs.

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    There is definitely something to it, imo.
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    um...for those who think the erotic roles describe sexual or romantic behavior, how would you describe this likely playing out for infantiles? i have yet to see a serious summarization of "sexual infantilism" that makes any sense to me argh.
    idk how it is for Ne-Creatives, but I think the following video is a pretty good depiction of stereotypical Ne-Base behavior during love-making (don't worry, there's nothing explicit in this scene-- just implied).

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    LOL who is the little old lady trying to poison everyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    LOL who is the little old lady trying to poison everyone
    The landlady. The whole movie is a riot. Except for the parts with Carol Channing; she's annoying.

    The part I was specifically pointing out is in the middle, from about 4:00 to 5:35. Millie and Freddy (name? may be remembering wrong) are "parking."
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    I think they describe an aspect of close relationships. They are present in more than just romantic relationships, though. I would include good friendships. I have definitely seen how all of the "erotic" attitudes play out in my own friendships. I don't think its exactly what some of the descriptions make it out to be but it's definitely there.
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    Just like the Reinen dichotomies, the names are misleading and they're taken too seriously sometimes, but there's something there anyway. I actually prefer them to the Reinen dichotomies but neither are great. Also, "infantile" means "Ne/seeks Si". With some extrapolation about what that could look like. "Caretaker" means "Si/seeks Ne". Just like with the Reinen dichotomies, it might be better to look actually at the functions instead of creating new redundant and misleading classification systems. But Ne is variety, creativity, trying new things. Everyone likes to do that to some extent, so it's more about focus or priorities or trends. Creativity, physical sensation, intensity, etc. Everone wants all, but which IE matches up with which of those?

    Having said that, I think what of it is relevant is visible in all romantic/wooing behavior, including sexual behavior. What's always annoying about this discussion is that we all think the sex we have is completely different (and dramatically better) from the sex everyone else is having. It's pretty silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariella
    Creativity, physical sensation, intensity, etc. Everone wants all, but which IE matches up with which of those?
    ha, this actually made me stop & think about that. This is what I came up with:

    sensation
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    compassion
    structure?
    creativity
    intensity
    passion
    reaching a goal


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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    reaching a goal
    lol hawt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardia View Post
    I think they describe an aspect of close relationships. They are present in more than just romantic relationships, though. I would include good friendships. I have definitely seen how all of the "erotic" attitudes play out in my own friendships. I don't think its exactly what some of the descriptions make it out to be but it's definitely there.
    I agree, the EA seem to play out in any close relationship, it's just an observable aspect of Super-id at play, Gulenko just took it a step further by explaining how it manifests in relationships (thought I'd say the "erotic" label is a bit counterproductive as it only focuses on one type of close relationship)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mariella View Post
    Just like the Reinen dichotomies, the names are misleading and they're taken too seriously sometimes, but there's something there anyway. I actually prefer them to the Reinen dichotomies but neither are great. Also, "infantile" means "Ne/seeks Si". With some extrapolation about what that could look like. "Caretaker" means "Si/seeks Ne". Just like with the Reinen dichotomies, it might be better to look actually at the functions instead of creating new redundant and misleading classification systems. But Ne is variety, creativity, trying new things. Everyone likes to do that to some extent, so it's more about focus or priorities or trends. Creativity, physical sensation, intensity, etc. Everone wants all, but which IE matches up with which of those?

    Having said that, I think what of it is relevant is visible in all romantic/wooing behavior, including sexual behavior. What's always annoying about this discussion is that we all think the sex we have is completely different (and dramatically better) from the sex everyone else is having. It's pretty silly.
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    for me:

    sexual- yes, kinda
    romantic/friendship - no

    slater's extension should be taken into consideration.
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    they're mostly just misleading. they create the false impression that P functions are more important in determining sexual behavior than J functions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariella View Post
    Also, "infantile" means "Ne/seeks Si". With some extrapolation about what that could look like. "Caretaker" means "Si/seeks Ne". Just like with the Reinen dichotomies, it might be better to look actually at the functions instead of creating new redundant and misleading classification systems.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    I agree, the EA seem to play out in any close relationship, it's just an observable aspect of Super-id at play, Gulenko just took it a step further by explaining how it manifests in relationships (thought I'd say the "erotic" label is a bit counterproductive as it only focuses on one type of close relationship)
    yeah, this remains my take. if they're based on the ego and superid i don't see why they would only play out in romantic situations since these functions come into play all the time. they have helped me conceptualize what "Ne ego/Si superid," etc., look like, so i wouldn't say they're completely useless, but they've also been confusing because of the "erotic" label, which i agree is counterproductive.

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    for me:

    sexual- yes, kinda
    romantic/friendship - no

    slater's extension should be taken into consideration.
    i think slater's extension is potentially pretty cool and interesting but i really don't know how it actually plays out without more information like examples or descriptions - if this kind of stuff is out there, i haven't seen it, but i'd like to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    ha, this actually made me stop & think about that. This is what I came up with:

    sensation
    ecstasy
    compassion
    structure?
    creativity
    intensity
    passion
    reaching a goal


    Te & Ti were the hardest to come up with. lol

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    Thumbs-up for Starfall's descriptions.

    And ... there must be something to this, because the clip from Thoroughly Modern Millie made me wanna pack up my vag and go home: antithesis of sexy to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    Thumbs-up for Starfall's descriptions.

    And ... there must be something to this, because the clip from Thoroughly Modern Millie made me wanna pack up my vag and go home: antithesis of sexy to me.
    Just so I know we're clear...Millie is the IEE...idk what Freddie is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    Just so I know we're clear...Millie is the IEE...idk what Freddie is...

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    Haha, no worries here. But I do mean really, truly, incredibly not sexy to me, none of it, which I find amusing to no end.

    I guess there's nothing remotely NSFW that I can link to that I do find sexy. Starfall had a link to something a while back that she thought looked like a good representation of Beta sex, and I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    Starfall had a link to something a while back that she though looked like a good representation of Beta sex, and I agree.
    Are you referring to this one? haha

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    The lyrics to this song are also rather compatible to Beta aggressor-victim style behavior, or w/e. You can definitely see strong elements of &



    "my whole existence is flawed
    you get me closer to god"

    Love those lines, hah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Are you referring to this one? haha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlk_9fqO8Vo
    Yep. Of course I wouldn't wanna say that THIS is exactly what Beta sex would have to look like. But ... yeah. It works.

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    My idea is simple: not only do relationships (romantic and non-romantic) involve the interaction of one side of our "personas" (physical, for instance), but all our four dimensions (physical, mental, emotional and spiritual) meet each other. When it comes to interquadra relations, all of them fit. In fact. duality is the best relationship because duals protect weak points of the partner (infantile-caregiver) and stimulate the strong (aggressor-victim).

    The physical interaction (sexual and non sexual) is key in relationships. Alpha NTs hate (I think) cooking, cleaning, etc. which is why they need alpha SFs caregiving behaviour. A relationship, of course, depends on more things.

    The spiritual aggressors throw possible scenarios in which the current situation may evolve or should be driven to. Si egos love this behaviour. Se do not accept changes changes easily and prefer the Ni approach.

    Etc etc, there are lots of threads in which the equilibrium between functions is explained.
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    Spiritual aggresor (Ne): jokes about absurd things
    Spiritual caregiver (Ni): understand them but prefers to refrain from doing so
    Spiritual infantile (Se): does not understand them and gets angry
    Spiritual victim (Si): "that's so weird...I like it!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    they're mostly just misleading. they create the false impression that P functions are more important in determining sexual behavior than J functions.
    Hm, there is something to be said about the role of rational functions, but as for the purely physical aspect, that's the irrational part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    Haha, no worries here. But I do mean really, truly, incredibly not sexy to me, none of it, which I find amusing to no end.
    Yeah, the whole film is pretty darn Delta, I think...maybe a little bit of Gamma/Alpha. No Beta (good for me, bad for you )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    Yep. Of course I wouldn't wanna say that THIS is exactly what Beta sex would have to look like. But ... yeah. It works.
    Haha yeah, close enough...

    I like the quadra-specific descriptions the most, not sure where they are but the beta "challenger/prize" dynamics were pretty spot-on.
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