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    In considering his type, I immediately drew parallels between him and Code Geass' Lelouch vii Britannia. The two have strikingly similar histories and beliefs; in fact, it seems a minor stretch to propose that Lelouch was patterned after Gadhafi.

    The tale of the young nationalist firebrand who literally plots the overthrow of his nation's government in his dorm room is a common one in history, told multiple times across Latin America at the very least. And every time it seems it's an LSI.

    What drives an LSI of Gadhafi's type? Generally, egalitarian values and pursuit of justice (strong socially progressive values) are high priorities in the mind of this type, and the future of their countries is very much on their mind. But why the focus on countries? It's LSI's intrinsic practicality and groundedness in the opportunities of the moment: with every surrounding nation being defended by an army and, at times, markedly different ideologies, LSI internationalist opportunities are far more limited than say, those of alpha NTs, for the simple reason that their goals are different. Thus they turn themselves inward, and here is where the "magic" of socialist rebellion begins. This is not happening just to any ONE LSI -- rather, all the LSIs in the country are operating on this one single principle, that they must move THEIR OWN country forward. This creates a remarkably cohesive block and an amazing unity that the other types just find themselves unable to unite against. From amongst this "borg-like" collective there rises a murmur and a sort of sorting as each LSI matches wits with both the other LSIs and the environment their nation is operating in. In Gadhafi's case, it was required that a masquerade be conducted to persuade Islamists to buy into the socialism Libyan LSIs were embracing at the time. Gadhafi was also a beneficiary of opportunity: he was one of only a handful of capable officers in the Libyan army. But among these he was without a doubt a unique potential -- his ability to mask his public persona behind the image of a sunglasses wearing superhero who could be all things to all people, while committing wholly to none of them, made him uniquely suited for leading the small nation next door to massive Egypt. And there was opportunity: the CIA wanted the monarchy out and the forward-looking Gadhafi was just what the United States wanted to see in the next regime. It was because Gadhafi WAS a superhero that the CIA wanted to see him there, believing that he would become a symbol of pro-Westernism in the socially stagnant Middle East.

    However the CIA failed to reckon with the flip-side of all those superpowers. How does a man plot the overthrow of his government from his dormitory? He'd have to be pretty paranoid, and goodness Gadhafi is paranoid and more. As ruler Gadhafi has spread his paranoia to every corner of Libya, creating a police state that his fellow LSI Saddam Hussein no doubt respected. The shadow of his plans for Libya hangs over the nation in the shape of other plans that failed to be realized, opportunities that failed to manifest. Alas, the plan shaped even the ethics, as Gadhafi firmly lost his way in the way that, ironically, LSIs are want to do. Now Gadhafi labors under his own shadow, engulfed by the self-same cloud of fear and lies that he helped create.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
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    In considering his type, I immediately drew parallels between him and Code Geass' Lelouch vii Britannia. The two have strikingly similar histories and beliefs; in fact, it seems a minor stretch to propose that Lelouch was patterned after Gadhafi.

    The tale of the young nationalist firebrand who literally plots the overthrow of his nation's government in his dorm room is a common one in history, told multiple times across Latin America at the very least. And every time it seems it's an LSI.

    What drives an LSI of Gadhafi's type? Generally, egalitarian values and pursuit of justice (strong socially progressive values) are high priorities in the mind of this type, and the future of their countries is very much on their mind. But why the focus on countries? It's LSI's intrinsic practicality and groundedness in the opportunities of the moment: with every surrounding nation being defended by an army and, at times, markedly different ideologies, LSI internationalist opportunities are far more limited than say, those of alpha NTs, for the simple reason that their goals are different. Thus they turn themselves inward, and here is where the "magic" of socialist rebellion begins. This is not happening just to any ONE LSI -- rather, all the LSIs in the country are operating on this one single principle, that they must move THEIR OWN country forward. This creates a remarkably cohesive block and an amazing unity that the other types just find themselves unable to unite against. From amongst this "borg-like" collective there rises a murmur and a sort of sorting as each LSI matches wits with both the other LSIs and the environment their nation is operating in. In Gadhafi's case, it was required that a masquerade be conducted to persuade Islamists to buy into the socialism Libyan LSIs were embracing at the time. Gadhafi was also a beneficiary of opportunity: he was one of only a handful of capable officers in the Libyan army. But among these he was without a doubt a unique potential -- his ability to mask his public persona behind the image of a sunglasses wearing superhero who could be all things to all people, while committing wholly to none of them, made him uniquely suited for leading the small nation next door to massive Egypt. And there was opportunity: the CIA wanted the monarchy out and the forward-looking Gadhafi was just what the United States wanted to see in the next regime. It was because Gadhafi WAS a superhero that the CIA wanted to see him there, believing that he would become a symbol of pro-Westernism in the socially stagnant Middle East.

    However the CIA failed to reckon with the flip-side of all those superpowers. How does a man plot the overthrow of his government from his dormitory? He'd have to be pretty paranoid, and goodness Gadhafi is paranoid and more. As ruler Gadhafi has spread his paranoia to every corner of Libya, creating a police state that his fellow LSI Saddam Hussein no doubt respected. The shadow of his plans for Libya hangs over the nation in the shape of other plans that failed to be realized, opportunities that failed to manifest. Alas, the plan shaped even the ethics, as Gadhafi firmly lost his way in the way that, ironically, LSIs are want to do. Now Gadhafi labors under his own shadow, engulfed by the self-same cloud of fear and lies that he helped create.
    The guy reminds me of you actually.
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    I think you're projecting.

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    I've come to accept the EIE typing for him...while being amused at his resemblance to Mick Jagger.

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    Big pimpin'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    I've come to accept the EIE typing for him.
    In all seriousness, though, this is what I thought, too.

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    Some Spanish journalist said that Gadafi reminds him of Michael Jackson: I thought "sure, man, both of them are EIEs".
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Some Spanish journalist said that Gadafi reminds him of Michael Jackson: I thought "sure, man, both of them are EIEs".
    Gadhafi as Michael's long lost insane twin? I could agree with that.

    After the events of the past couple days, I'm leaning away from EIE EM and towards SEI EM for Gadhafi. I'm undecided about his IM type... I based what I wrote above on media reports. I looked up translations of his speeches, but he rarely speaks and his address to the U.N. was either translated incoherently, or really was incoherent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    I think I'm projecting.
    Fixed

    On a serious note I found your op very interesting.
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    I can't help feeling fascinated by narcissists like him. It's just too much, too unreal, so it feels almost ridiculous to judge him. Instead I look at him as some fascinating object.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowisthetime View Post
    I can't help feeling fascinated by narcissists like him. It's just too much, too unreal, so it feels almost ridiculous to judge him. Instead I look at him as some fascinating object.
    Exactly. He's a caricature. I think people like him desire a sort of elevation above others... they want a kind of emotional gulf between themselves and others, although they want it to be safe. So they aspire to bigger than life roles and titles that make it impossible for others to approach them on equal terms.

    I have met a lot of people who are like that. And I've noticed, when it comes to talking to them about personal matters, they clam up fast, even in private, because they want that emotional gulf.

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    ESTp

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
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    The tale of the young nationalist firebrand who literally plots the overthrow of his nation's government in his dorm room is a common one in history, told multiple times across Latin America at the very least. And every time it seems it's an LSI.
    Not it is not, and even if they were all LSIs it doesnt necesserily prove he is. Thats a logical fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    Not it is not, and even if they were all LSIs it doesnt necesserily prove he is. Thats a logical fallacy.
    I never asserted such. The simple fact of the matter is that whatever he is internally, he has behaved like an ISTJ.

    Why do you believe ESTP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    I never asserted such. The simple fact of the matter is that whatever he is internally, he has behaved like an ISTJ.

    Why do you believe ESTP?
    ESTp is the archetype of tyrants: demanding, unfair and want to be popular
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    ESTp is the archetype of tyrants: demanding, unfair and want to be popular
    That doesnt prove he is ESTp either, nor is it my reasons for believing such.


    I just beleive ESTp from VI, and from the vibe he gives. Theres also the fact that he seems 8W7, which is more likely to correlate to SLE than LSI, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    ESTp is the archetype of tyrants: demanding, unfair and want to be popular
    Whoa, SLEs may be a little tyrannical, but they're definitely not unfair. types always strive to be fair. SEEs fit this description better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Whoa, SLEs may be a little tyrannical, but they're definitely not unfair. types always strive to be fair. SEEs fit this description better.
    Yes.

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    one of: ISTJ, ESTP, ENFJ
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    SLI for sure.
    Last edited by Beautiful sky; 10-21-2011 at 06:42 AM.

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    I love this guy. I love that he's so unashamedly ridiculous, that he's not afraid to do what most men with that much power would do - appoint hot virgin bodyguards. Everyone thinks he's crazy, when really, he's the only one who's not.
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    My favourite living dictator by far.

    Also I type him as a EIE.

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    Theres also the fact that he seems 8W7,
    Quite.

    My so/sx 8w7 descrip. fits him well: "...If called to atone for their iron fist, they will choose defiance to the end."

    http://articles.economictimes.indiat...ews/28621366_1

    "Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi signalled his defiance in the face of a mounting revolt against his 41-year rule on Tuesday..."

    Much different than Mubarrak...that guy folds like a lawn chair.

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    I think you guys are right. I was just reading about how the people of Libya are largely unable to meet their needs because this guy just does not care. To him, delta Si is completely irrelevant.

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    With respect to Libya's neighbors, Gaddafi followed Gamal Abdel Nasser's ideas of pan-Arabism and became a fervent advocate of the unity of all Arab states into one Arab nation. He also supported pan-Islamism, the notion of a loose union of all Islamic countries and peoples. After Nasser's death on 28 September 1970, Gaddafi attempted to take up the mantle of ideological leader of Arab nationalism.
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    In 1972, Gaddafi created the Islamic Legion as a tool to unify and Arabize the region. The priority of the Legion was first Chad, and then Sudan. In Darfur, a western province of Sudan, Gaddafi supported the creation of the Arab Gathering (Tajammu al-Arabi), which according to Gérard Prunier was "a militantly racist and pan-Arabist organization which stressed the 'Arab' character of the province."[41] The two organizations shared members and a source of support, and the distinction between the two is often ambiguous.
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    Gaddafi's views on African political and military unification received a lukewarm response from other African governments. On 29 August 2008, Gaddafi held a public ceremony in Benghazi in the presence of over 200 African traditional rulers and kings, in which he was bestowed the title of King of Kings of Africa as part of a grassroots effort to encourage African heads of state and government to follow Gaddafi towards greater political integration.
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    Gaddafi ordered the Libyan National Telescope Project, costing nearly 10 million euros, expressing his passionate interest in astronomy
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    Gaddafi blended Arab nationalism,[148][149] aspects of the welfare state,[150][151][152] and what Gaddafi termed "popular democracy",[153] or more commonly "direct, popular democracy". He called this system "Islamic socialism", and, while he permitted private control over small companies, the government controlled the larger ones. Welfare, "liberation" (or "emancipation" depending on the translation),[154] and education[155] was emphasized. He also imposed a system of Islamic morals,[156][157] outlawing alcohol and gambling.
    this sounds like Fe hidden agenda, simplistic expressions of Ni seeking, logical type - I'm going to go with ESTp as well, his photos look ESTp to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by April View Post
    Big pimpin'.

    Oh no, where did my amusing photo go?

    My God he's bizarre looking.

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    Lol, yeah he didn't age well. He was normal looking as a younger man. Dunno how he turned into swamp thing:
    Huh? Didn't age well?

    Not many people get to look this bad ass:



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    You have to have grown up in an Arab country to get the cultural and historical context behind a lot of what he says. But even most Arabs call him schizophrenic.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Lol, he is so weird.

    Also, title of that pic reads: "Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, a master of outrage, has done it again. In a SPIEGEL interview he explained why Switzerland should be dissolved as a state [and said] German Chancellor Angela Merkel was more like a man than a woman.jpg"
    lol

    I don't know much about his political history, but he comes off as absurdly arbitrary.


    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    You have to have grown up in an Arab country to get the cultural and historical context behind a lot of what he says. But even most Arabs call him schizophrenic.
    http://islamizationwatch.blogspot.co...r-moammar.html

    SPIEGEL: Whatever you may now say about Switzerland, previously it didn't bother you in the least. You did business with the country -- your company Tamoil Suisse has dozens of filling stations in Switzerland.

    Gadhafi: Money is laundered on a grand scale in Switzerland. Anyone who robs a bank later invests the money in Switzerland. Anyone who evades taxes goes to Switzerland. Anyone who wants to deposit money in secret accounts goes to Switzerland. And a large number of owners of such secret accounts have died under mysterious circumstances.



    Lol. It's like all he knows about Switzerland is from Bond movies.

    Interesting remarks though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    He's ENFj. Anybody who disagrees is obviously wrong.

    Dude looks way too remote to be any -ego type.
    Nah, he uses his personal logic before ethics. Just read his biography, it's Ti-ego and Fe HA. And on all those pics you posted his eyes are steadily fixed on a point, there is no remoteness there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    most Arabs call him schizophrenic
    Most Arabs are psychiatrists? May be at least someone asked most Arabs this question? I think - no.
    USA and some european countries have begun informational (and physical) war and propaganda to expand their economic interests in Libya and current leader prevents it. Nothing more. He ruled his country for many years, have made some form of socialism, there were low levels of criminality and corruption, and most people there were ones of the reachest among other African countries. Most probably, if Gaddafi will be removed, then economic and social situation in Lybia will become worse.
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    Qadaffi ordered cheeseburgers for himself and his medical team in the middle of a lengthy hair transplant procedure. EIE it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Most Arabs are psychiatrists? May be at least someone asked most Arabs this question? I think - no.
    Do you need a survey to gauge the popular Italian sentiment against Berlusconi? Or the public's perception of George Bush? You just need to live in those respective countries for a while and talk to the people you meet. They provide as good a random statistical sampling as many official surveys that come out.

    USA and some european countries have begun informational (and physical) war and propaganda to expand their economic interests in Libya and current leader prevents it. Nothing more. He ruled his country for many years, have made some form of socialism, there were low levels of criminality and corruption, and most people there were ones of the reachest among other African countries. Most probably, if Gaddafi will be removed, then economic and social situation in Lybia will become worse.
    Huh? Qaddafi was one of the most corrupt, kleptocratic dictators in living memory. If there were low levels of criminality and corruption, it was only because there was nothing left to steal.
    It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarrelled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

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    He is delusional. Of that I am certain.

    I came across something today which reminded me of him...

    http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/snes/c/obdeth.htm

    And something about him reminds me of Esper.
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    More clues to Brother Leader's sociotype, from one of his former nurses:

    * Still listens to cassettes.

    * Remains "in great shape."

    * Makes decisions based on handshakes, because he "is a great psychologist."

    * Changes outfits "several times a day" and is "obsessive" about clothes.

    * "When we drove around poor African countries he would fling money and candy out the widow of his armored limousine to children who ran after our motorcade; he didn't want them close for fear of catching diseases from them."

    * "None of us nurses was ever his lover; the only time we ever touched him was to take his blood pressure."

    * Gives watches with his face on them as gifts.

    * Doesn't actually sleep in a tent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsey View Post
    * "When we drove around poor African countries he would fling money and candy out the widow of his armored limousine to children who ran after our motorcade; he didn't want them close for fear of catching diseases from them."
    Seems like Ego.

    * Makes decisions based on handshakes, because he "is a great psychologist."
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    I know it's a little strange, but I sort of liked Gadhafi because of his unabashed eccentricity. Massacring your own people is not cool though.
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    um...IDK, maybe SLI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taknamay View Post
    Massacring your own people is not cool though.
    Nope, but it can be necessary.

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