1. ## Sensing & Mountains

Extraverted Sensing:

Introverted Sensing:

...And this?

2. Why does Si have to be a woman

3. Originally Posted by Galen
Why does Si have to be a woman
To maintain gender variety, obviously.

4. Originally Posted by Galen
Why does Si have to be a woman
I knew someone was going to say that the second I slapped the symbol there.

If I put two men -> "Why are there two men and no women?"

If I put two women -> "Why are there two women and no men?"

If I flipped it over -> "Why do the women have to Se and the men have to be Si."

If I put both together -> "What does a man and woman have to do with it? Why are they together?"

If I left the x and y as it is without either/or -> "What is x & y?"

If both were x, then yeah I'd put two men. If both were y, then yeah I'd put two women. But I didn't want to confuse both primary diagrams having the same variable; like in the other threads I keep the variety. Both mean a person in the center; that's all, nothing more, nothing less.

5. Originally Posted by CILi
You should be more tol'rant, Timeless.

LOL!

Yes! Next time I will put a tranny, or better yet a senior handicapped tranny.

P.S. The woman looks like a rocket ship, and for some reason the man reminds me of C-3PO.

6. Originally Posted by Timeless
I knew someone was going to say that the second I slapped the symbol there.

If I put two men -> "Why are there two men and no women?"

If I put two women -> "Why are there two women and no men?"

If I flipped it over -> "Why do the women have to Se and the men have to be Si."

If I put both together -> "What does a man and woman have to do with it? Why are they together?"

If I left the x and y as it is without either/or -> "What is x & y?"

If both were x, then yeah I'd put two men. If both were y, then yeah I'd put two women. But I didn't want to confuse both primary diagrams having the same variable; like in the other threads I keep the variety. Both mean a person in the center; that's all, nothing more, nothing less.

7. So, = "Things I can do involving mountains"; = "Ways mountains affect me"?

8. Originally Posted by The Egbert Human
So, = "Things I can do involving mountains"; = "Ways mountains affect me"?
Introverted functions remodel reality. So is not the mountain... but all the possible experiences that can be effected from contact with its essence. It's seeing past the concrete form to feel the energy.

9. This is fishy yet again. The one looks like intuitive types. You will see and egos alike have those more fantasy based, unreal or nonfactual avatars, mimicking reality. is not a reflection of or distanced from reality, yet it is based on internalized sensations. I would generally conclude that the examples are somewhat misinformative. Your example is almost good for S vs N, but lacks some more extreme essences. Not a bad try though: I say this because I understand somewhat what you were trying to imply.

10. Originally Posted by CILi
You should be more tol'rant, Timeless.

btw I like all your photoshoppy things Timeless, they make me smile

"This activity would be great because the quality of experiences I/we can derive from it!"
"This activity would be great because of what we're doing!"

It conforms to being internalization and subjective and being externalization and objective.

Further rumination:
valuers may violate standards or go outside the norms, not necessarily intentionally but because they see past the object for the subject.

12. More rumination:
So activities to will be judged according to the quality of the experience. I suppose this has an important role in the ethics of types. morality concerns the ethics of the experience not the activity.

13. Actually if you read jung you would know that a popular interpretation of Si is that of someone who is fantasy oriented.

14. Originally Posted by Erk
Actually if you read jung you would know that a popular interpretation of Si is that of someone who is fantasy oriented.

I've read Ch. 10 and nowhere is the word fantasy included for Introverted Sensing, nor is there any mention of a fantastical nature. Jung presents and the type with a detached attitude towards the object, which also involves taking from it the subjective experience.

Subjective sensation apprehends the background of the physical world rather than its surface. The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them. Such a consciousness would see the becoming and the passing of things beside their present and momentary existence...
He doesn't talk about fantasy. He points out the influences and impressions receives from the object, which becomes represented in the type as a "psychic" mirror world.

15. Originally Posted by Erk
Actually if you read jung you would know that a popular interpretation of Si is that of someone who is fantasy oriented.
Where as in Socionics types are seen as realistic and greatly concerned with surrounding aesthetics, health, and harmony, something generally separate from Jung's interpretation, which hasn't really been adopted in these new type systems, since lots of people who test as intuitive types are often introverted sensation types in Jung.

16. ## x

Timeless, a Spanish writer says that in China, local authorities faced a problem: some city was suffering from heavy pollution. The "right" choice consisted of local industries developing methods for manufacturing with less raw materials, waste treatment, etc (very expensive, in other words).

The second method was more...LSI! It consisted of placing explosives in the mountains surrounding the city, therefore bringing them down so that air could flow from the outskirts of the city towards the inside to eventually clean the pollution away. It seems the former method was rejected and the latter, adopted.

17. LOL

18. I still do not see how that snippet from that paragraph does not suggest that there is a sense of fantasy involved. That is unless you ignore most of it and only pay attention to the first, and very last part.

19. Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold
"This activity would be great because of what we're doing!"
I like the examples, and I bet all Se types would feel like that about the pic at 3

20. Originally Posted by Erk
I still do not see how that snippet from that paragraph does not suggest that there is a sense of fantasy involved. That is unless you ignore most of it and only pay attention to the first, and very last part.
Perhaps we have different understandings of "fantasy".

21. Perhaps.

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