Who Knows Suzzy/Goldilocks/Hayleys type?

[Hays]

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[Jarno]

based on your avatar: xNFx

But that's just guessing, I know.

[pianosinger]

Back when you and your husband started that thread to find out his type (and also yours), I got more of a Delta NF impression from his descriptions of you. Possibly Gamma SF. Serious>Merry; Fi-valuing>Fe-valuing.

But, what do you think?

[Krig the Viking]

I've seen nothing to contradict my initial assessment of EII. But I'm by no means certain of that -- maybe 40% sure.

[Creepy-Snaps]

Who Knows Suzzy/Goldilocks/Hayleys type?

God knows your type. I WIN!

I am starting to think more and more that I belong to the club of researchers as this is what I do and is what gives me pleasure in daily life. I get so passionate about research sometimes (well often actually) that nothing much else matters and I want to race and share what I have learnt with those close to me. Sometimes I am so excited that I kind of forget about their feelings in these moments.
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...of_researchers
Just this morning I was told that I was the thinking one in a group of people.
One of my daughters has been upset with me today saying that I should have better emotional reactions rather than analyze everything and voice consequences of actions. My son has insisted for years that I am a Myers Briggs INTJ. One daughter thinks that I am her SLI boyfriends Look-a-like which would make me ILI. My husband is now saying that I am an NT and says how could he ever have thought that I was anything else.

I believe that I have vulnerable (4th function) and regard myself as quite a sensitive person.

I think I have as a mobilizing (6th function) for I like it when thoughts/feelings are just understood as it says in this link:
http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...overted_ethics
In the context of extroverted ethics (Fe) as a vulnerable function, it should be emphasized that these types especially value emotional bonds where feelings go unsaid between partners, and are simply "understood."

I am thinking at this stage that I am probably what some first typed me as - ILI.

I thought my enneagram was 4w5 until I read this link posted by Aleksei. I now think that I am a likely 5w4.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=33751
Sexual Five
The Sexual Five focused on their intense desire for the idealized mate. They wanted to add that when they finally found the perfect mate, the felt incredibly tied to the "idea" of their love and became a slave to that love. They also described a conflict in holding the ideal and identifying with their own imprefection of being human, fearing that their human components might contaminate their love. "For people are not ideal and people can contaminate love." One example how they coped with this contradiction in terms was to hold the love in their mind or imagination where it could remain untainted. Another was to express love nonverbally with their body describing a deep, intense, wordless connection. They expressed the viewpoint that a shared intimacy is treasured and kept locked away to be experienced and revisited privately. They had difficulty trusting anyone totally, though they described what a relief it would be to do so. Expressing love for Sexual Fives was often difficult, embarrassing, blinding, and controlling. They tended to emphasize nonverbal connection and sexual expression, describing that the greatest intimacy is a complete wordless understanding, though they sometimes had difficulty understanding both verbal and nonverbal, as well as physical ways of relating (summarized; lot of contradictory information?). They both sought total merging, yet were simultaneously terrified of it. They emphasized the issue of trust, sometimes trusting people at a distance but becoming reserved and closed off when they came nearer, emphasizing the need to protect themselves and to keep secrets from their intimates. They felt that intimate family members were threatening and made the greatest demands of all. In general, Sexual Fives were characterized by brief periods of intense connection and reclusive secrecy.

Hayley, I am unsure if your love of research/analysis means either you're 1) some NT rational or 2) Te-valuing. You seem to reference a lot of things, even the enneagram thing you pasted, and use a lot of examples in trying to identify exact phenomena. Using lots of examples for what stuff reminds you of. This is very much Te-valuing.

Going by that, as a Te-valuer, you'd be in either the Gamma or Delta quadra. ILI is certainly a possibility, and so is Delta NF, as others have mentioned.

One of my daughters has been upset with me today saying that I should have better emotional reactions rather than analyze everything and voice consequences of actions.

I believe that I have vulnerable (4th function) and regard myself as quite a sensitive person.

Very sorry to hear of your fight with your daughter. If it's the daughter I suspect , she very well may be Beta, and the ill-feeling could have been from quadra conflict, among other things. I wouldn't necessarily identify that as being weak emotionally as it pertains to weak Fe.

In fact, you think Fe POLR makes sense? Please consider looking at Se POLR as well:

Fe as a vulnerable (4th) function (ILI and SLI)

The individual tries hard to never let himself "come apart at the seams" emotionally or even let out strong feelings publicly, because displays of passion do not come naturally and make him feel self-consciousness and vulnerable to painful criticism. This makes the individual generally seem emotionally neutral and politely indifferent to excitement and agitation around him. The individual deeply dislikes attempts by others to get him to "cheer up" or "join the fun", especially in the context of group activities with loud emotional expression.

Se as a vulnerable (4th) function (LII and EII)

The individual tends to overreact to aggressive or confrontational behavior, taking it as a personal threat when it may only be a knee-jerk reaction or the result of a bad mood.

He tends to avoid intruding on others' space or engaging in behavior that may be perceived as coercive, and tries hard to handle his needs by being disciplined and well-prepared himself - rather than relying on others to do things for him. If these strategies fail, his efforts at dealing with the resulting conflict make him look actively pushy in a way that appears awkward and unnatural to others. This opens him up to painful criticism and feelings of weakness and helplessness.

He is able to moralize and instruct others about what they should do and why, but he is not prepared for others' active resistance or refusal to do as he says. In his mind, this would require him to put aside reason and good feelings and simply make the other person do what is necessary. This is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for him to do.

Considering your love of research, and analytical mind, and the few minutes here and there I got to speak with you , I have also considered INTj for you, possibly Ti-valuing. If you feel Se POLR fits better than Fe POLR, it could point to Delta NF again, particularly INFj, or possibly INTj.

Hope my Ti-analysis helps you in search of your type.

[Beautiful sky]

I think you came on to the forum with a prejudice and a bias for Se. I hope you've reconsidered some of the stereotypes that perpetuated this thinking and now I hope you don't sticking to these beliefs in a hard and fast manner. I hope you have learned to let go of your preconceived notions.

[Jarno]

To Maritsa - I have you on ignore for a reason and much of that reason has to do with your prejudices and bullying against other female members, especially those who think they may be EII.

hmm now you mention it. Yes.

Also, Niffweed had this same kind of behaviour against male ILI's.

Niffweed is also narcisistic or something like that, just like Maritsa has some traits of. But I'm not sure, something is not right about narcisistic. But what is interesting is that they follow the same peculiar pattern.

One day I'll figure it all out hehe.

[munenori2]

God knows your type. I WIN!

There is no God, only the ubermensch.



WAZAAA!

[leckysupport]

Some sort of Gamma introvert would be my unreliable and fickle guess. Perhaps more on the ILI side since Marie typed you as a IEI, meaning she doesn't relate to you.

[Slacker]

You sound more ILI than anything else to me at this point.

[Slacker]

Now I've read the other thread and you sound much less ILI when your husband describes you.

[Creepy-Snaps]

Hi Mariella here are some links to a couple of old videos of me before I joined this forum to take a look at so that you can have a better idea of what I am like.

Hey! Just watched these both.

You remind me greatly of Sarah... overall demeanor, cute little sigh when you're having trouble saying what you want. And I kinda wanted to hear Matt more! But thought it was a bit funny, when you're pouring your heart out about your views of marriage and happiness, and he was just petting the cat!

Not sure if you're Ti-valuing, you seem to like comparing/contrasting a lot, but you include a fair amount of examples. Not sure for Ti versus Te valuing.

I would agree, you seem to definitely be INXx. Weak Se, you don't pay attention to your surroundings. The example from the zoo, where your husband is trying to get you involved, when you're so excited, as well as paying attention to sensing things, like health, or concentrating on anything physical.

You don't seem very interested in people. You even admit, you don't like bothering with people's problems... but even, you mentioned you liked walking by yourself as a child, painting, lots of activities you did alone. And that you don't like watching television, maybe you're uninterested in any of the storylines, if it's people-related, etc.

Not sure if Se is valued or unvalued, although I said it was weak. You don't like pushing your values on others, or using any kind of force. Even when Sarah said you have strong standards... I know INTjs have strong standards of behavior...

But then INTp descriptions fit you as well. I could even see ENTp *possibly*, just getting excited about new ideas and all. Or even INFp could fit possibly... it's tough to pick a quadra or function-values for ya.

Just some insights, hopefully some of it can be helpful. I think in general, you're having a tough time picking a type/quadra, because you're too focused on the big picture and seeing possibilities, that you're missing Sensing details and facts, that can clearly discriminate what you're strong at or weak at.

I'd say possibly weak Se, devalued Fe... again pointing to Gamma or Delta, like I suggested before, but not by a large margin. I'd have to guess Gamma>Delta>Alpha=Beta at this point, but not very much separating any of them.

[Marie84]

Some sort of Gamma introvert would be my unreliable and fickle guess. Perhaps more on the ILI side since Marie typed you as a IEI, meaning she doesn't relate to you.

I never typed Haley, rather just through IEI out there as a suggestion, although for some reason I find Beta to be a weird quadra for her.
The only strong impression that I get from her is that she is either Ni dominant or Ne creative and is likely a Harmonizing subtype (which could also factor into her being more difficult to type). EII is totally possible for her IMO

[Beautiful sky]

Hey! Just watched these both.

You remind me greatly of Sarah... overall demeanor, cute little sigh when you're having trouble saying what you want. And I kinda wanted to hear Matt more! But thought it was a bit funny, when you're pouring your heart out about your views of marriage and happiness, and he was just petting the cat!

Not sure if you're Ti-valuing, you seem to like comparing/contrasting a lot, but you include a fair amount of examples. Not sure for Ti versus Te valuing.

I would agree, you seem to definitely be INXx. Weak Se, you don't pay attention to your surroundings. The example from the zoo, where your husband is trying to get you involved, when you're so excited, as well as paying attention to sensing things, like health, or concentrating on anything physical.

You don't seem very interested in people. You even admit, you don't like bothering with people's problems... but even, you mentioned you liked walking by yourself as a child, painting, lots of activities you did alone. And that you don't like watching television, maybe you're uninterested in any of the storylines, if it's people-related, etc.

Not sure if Se is valued or unvalued, although I said it was weak. You don't like pushing your values on others, or using any kind of force. Even when Sarah said you have strong standards... I know INTjs have strong standards of behavior...

But then INTp descriptions fit you as well. I could even see ENTp *possibly*, just getting excited about new ideas and all. Or even INFp could fit possibly... it's tough to pick a quadra or function-values for ya.

Just some insights, hopefully some of it can be helpful. I think in general, you're having a tough time picking a type/quadra, because you're too focused on the big picture and seeing possibilities, that you're missing Sensing details and facts, that can clearly discriminate what you're strong at or weak at.

I'd say possibly weak Se, devalued Fe... again pointing to Gamma or Delta, like I suggested before, but not by a large margin. I'd have to guess Gamma>Delta>Alpha=Beta at this point, but not very much separating any of them.

Se is not pushing your values on others. It's experiencing taking part in external sensory like doing activities one enjoys, a lot of activities.

[Flat Footed Frog]

just had a nose at the thread and thought id share a few things ive been thinking.

Been looking into right vs. left brained research, and found out that there is only around 90% of ppl using the right side of the brain. This side specialises in feelings, seeing the bigger picture and creative things. Im mentioning this only because in my opinion hayley is right brained. Which makes typing her more difficult as much of the research would be written on left brained ppl. This is why i think for so many years ive struggled typing, myself and hayley (my mum), as we can both be quite objective and thinking-like, yet at the same time we both have very strong feelings and emotions and use these well. This whole thing started going through my mind when i was thinking about how the world really is designed for left brainers. so much of the world seems back to front-car driving, repetitive stuff, some computer game consoles and keyboards. it also comes into mental spatial awareness and uncoordination.

Anyways, just a thought. Found the subject really interesting and thought it was related to hayley's type very well and maybe to others here on the forum who have found finding their type difficult.

[Flat Footed Frog]

Forgot to mention that in some research by Phaedrus somewhere on this forum, he showed how brain dominance can be linked to functions:

Si, Te, Ni, and Fi are left brain, and that Fe, Se, Ne, and Ti are right brain