...And what do you think about this?
...And what do you think about this?
It seems the top image synthesizes, it has an origin and branches out to find more inclusions. The bottom image classifies and puts the birds into categories.
I'd say accurate, but still not exhaustive.
Last edited by EyeSeeCold; 02-17-2011 at 06:05 AM.
They're both examples of Ti, actually. Ti is one that deals with the categorization of objects and ideas; Te deals primarily with motion, methods of doing things, efficiency of action, etc.
Not really sure if I understand your example, but in the case of inductive vs deductive reasoning, it looks backwards.
Here's another simplistic example to demonstrate what I'm referring to:
- If it is true we are in a forest, I therefore deduce that there must be owls.
- There is a tree, and more trees around it. It grows darker, I see an owl, and look, a bridge. I induce that we've arrived at the southern end of forest.
deals with facts first, and secondarily may eventually find an common principle. deals in principles first and foremost, and is able to come across facts to support them. All people can do either, but what you should notice about egos is that initial principles don't mean as much, as its more efficient to induce a larger picture or principle from all the facts and details they're already accustomed to, where as with egos, facts don't mean as much, as its more meaningful to deduce facts and details from a larger original picture or principle.
Well damn, my calculations were wrong.
Back to the drawing board.
Deductive/Inductive is better correlated to Process/Result:
1. Do things sequentially, from the beginning to the end.
2. Immersed to a process and tends to single-tasking.
3. Focus between the beggining and the end of processes.
4. More inclined to read texts on books or computer from beggining to the end.
1. Do things randomly, seemingly doing them from the end to the beginning.
2. Detached from processes and tends to multitasking.
3. Focus on the beggining and the end of processes.
4. More inclined to read texts on books or computer randomly, maybe reading random paragraphs or chapters.
# The process IM types are : ILE, SEI, EIE, LSI, SEE, ILI, LSE, EII.
# The result IM types are : ESE, LII, SLE, IEI, LIE, ESI, IEE, SLI.
ILI (FINAL ANSWER)
I think the format of the example is good, though the particular elements need to fit the definition better:
Induction is the same thing as going from the concrete details to the abstract picture, and deduction is going from the abstract picture to the concrete details. So "this is the southern forest" was just an example I used because we were using silly examples but there are better ones.
First we find out what it means to "deduct" and to "induct" and how they are dissimilar but both "conclude".
Induct - to introduce
Deduct - to take away
Conclude - to determine by reasoning
inductive reasoning introduces a new idea to the situation
deductive reasoning extracts an idea from a situation
deductive reasoning makes a conclusion of an idea that did exist, but has been singled out
1. All men are mortal (general)
2. Socrates is a man (specific)
3. Therefore, Socrates is mortal (conclusion)
"Socrates is mortal" has been extracted from a synthesis of facts 1 & 2, therefore making it also a fact, as long as both premises are true.
inductive reasoning makes a conclusion of an idea that did not exist in the situation before
All of the swans we have seen are white. (specific)
All swans are white. (General)
"All swans are white" has been introduced by the observer as a principle based on one single fact, that may or may not be true in itself and due to the initial "fact".
As Inductive Reasoning works on principles and generalizations we can conclude that is inductive. As Deductive Reasoning works with synthesis and extraction of facts we can conclude that is deductive.
Last edited by EyeSeeCold; 02-18-2011 at 07:22 AM.
Now that we understand Inductive Reasoning and Deductive Reasoning let's identify the process occurring in the visual aids.
Aid # 1, supposedly
The premise is "birds that are colorful".
The movement is then directed towards birds that are actually colorful / have color.
The movement is extraction rather than introduction.
The movement is therefore Deductive.
Aid # 2, supposedly
There is no premise.
Two birds, independent of one another, initially, are directed towards "Black birds".
The movement is introduction / addition rather than extraction or subtraction.
The movement is therefore Inductive.
Cognitive Styles article.
EyeSeeCold: LSI, a Ti type, pretty clearly uses deductive logic. They're notorious for "thinking in a straight line".
Here is an excellent article on inductive vs. deductive reasoning. To me, it seems like is deductive, whereas is inductive. gathers information and makes principles (inductive) whereas uses a premise and then collects information to confirm or deny it.
types work first with specifics, facts, while types work first with generics, principles.
Hm... maybe I'm wrong.
Damn. I have no idea. more research/ thought is required. Will be back when I learn more.
What, exactly, does "thinking in a straight line" have to do with deduction? That sounds like literal thinking.
I do agree claims a premise and collects information to confirm / deny but that's being scientific not reasonable. Is collecting information to confirm / deny necessary? Or do users go without confirming their positions?
I don't think you are wrong, it just seems you're taking it further than what was initially being discussed.
As to your second question, I'm not sure.
The OP's examples are not entirely clear to me, but it seems that the first example is more closely related to and the second to . I think that finds specifics uses principles, and forms principles from specifics. I could be wrong (I have a reasonable amount of doubt as to my own understanding), so if I think I am, then explain why it is you think I am. As for me, the lines seem somewhat blurred, so I think I will research and reflect some more.
EDIT: definitely wrong
Last edited by nil; 02-18-2011 at 09:39 PM.