Is this text an example of Fi?

[jessica129]

I'm trying to get a better idea of what Fi is so I was searching for some examples online (stolen from another forum, sorry) and thought these were good examples, wanted to see if you guys agreed or not or could possibly tell me what this sort of communication might be?

Good Morning sweetie,

I know right now you are sleeping and hopefully having some sweet dreams
Hope you don't mind me calling you darling, sweetie, etc.? Just wanted to write to you cause I stepped outside this morning and saw a beautiful sunrise, and it reminded me of how beautiful I really think you are and how lucky I am to have a great person like you!! And that you said Yes to being my girlfriend, makes me feel so special. & how Thankful I am to have such a special Valentine as you. Can't wait til we can do whatever we please and enjoy our own time together - the sunrises and sunsets and just being in each others company, thats what will make me the happiest person alive - not like I'm not already!

Thanks for everything darling!!!

Another :

Hey sexy!!
Hope you have a good day
at work today Each and every time I see you, I get that huge smile on my face - the butterflies in my stomach, like I don't know what to say next. This is a very good thing, and hopefully
you feel the same way as well. Just waiting for that next moment with you I have so much anticipation I can hardly wait. Sorry - this is just me speaking from the heart again,
if you don't agree or just want me to shut-up just say so.

Personally, both examples make me want to vomit. Is this Fi?

[Simon Ssmall]

Both of those makes me want to vomit too.

[eunice]

Lol. All these sound too exaggerating for me. I prefer a more subtle form of communication.

[Pa3s]

Both of those makes me want to vomit too.

Not just you, lol.

I can't say it's Fi, Fe or maybe something else because I don't know how these two persons are related. Fi is mainly about knowing how your relationships to people can be evaluated. As a Fi-leading type you are very aware of who your friends or your enemies are. That means this message could mean very different things, it would be easier to say if we had the reaction of the receiver. Imagine their 'relationship' only exists in the mind of the person who wrote these letters (maybe he or she is a ILE with Fi-polr), that would mean it's not very good developed Fi if they doesn't recognize that. Maybe it's just a playful joke or just ironic, they words alone don't tell.

[jessica129]

Lol. All these sound too exaggerating for me. I prefer a more subtle form of communication.

Haha, yeah. I can't imagine anyone who'd feel comfortable with this level of cheesiness but I thought maybe Fi would? lol, I don't know. Just trying to understand things better.

[Jarno]

Is this Fi?

The first one reminds me a bit of SEE language. Overly using complements. So yes Fi.

The second one is strange. Can't say anything about that one.

[Beautiful sky]

I'm trying to get a better idea of what Fi is so I was searching for some examples online (stolen from another forum, sorry) and thought these were good examples, wanted to see if you guys agreed or not or could possibly tell me what this sort of communication might be?



Another :



Personally, both examples make me want to vomit. Is this Fi?

Neither example is Fi

[Beautiful sky]

http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Jung/types.htm

Fi is in those pages. But, if you expect someone to breast feed you the answer then go ahead and don't read.

[Slacker]

Those examples make me want to vomit too. LOL.

[Creepy-]

Those are both AWFUL.

I share Eunice's preference for more subtle communication of feelings. Subtlety > cheeseball floweriness.

[jessica129]

Those are both AWFUL.

I share Eunice's preference for more subtle communication of feelings. Subtlety > cheeseball floweriness.

lol yeah..I'm trying to think what type would appreciate that and i'm at a loss..I think anyone with half a brain and maturity would find that really off-putting. I guess that was a bad example, lol!

[ashlesha]

ahaha. i actually thought those were kind of cute, just because they reminded me of what it feels like to be stupidly infatuated. not because they were brilliantly written or captured emotion really well or anything. it just looks to me like someone who has kind of lost their head with feelings, lol. i wouldn't attribute them to Fi at all.

[Filambee]

Yeah, I thought they were cute, too lol. Sounds like a romantic IEI.

[Absurd]

[jessica129]

Yuck. If anyone ever said those kind of things to me I'd feel uncomfortable.

In fact, there was a guy that liked me who used to express his feelings in a similar way... I never took him seriously, and often joked with my friends about it. I don't understand how people can honestly be that corny & then wonder why they've pushed people away? lol

Yeah, I also think it's guys like that who then complain that girls never go for nice guys and it's like WELL OBVIOUSLY, I wonder why. It's so creepy.

[Absurd]

No.

Why not ?

[glam]

it almost sounds like someone who is trying too hard... someone who is trying to convince themselves and the other person that they really feel that way.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

*reads OP*

[EyeSeeCold]

I'm trying to get a better idea of what Fi is

is not:
Seeking high activity spheres
Estimating the reactive state/possible reactions
Horizontal progression
Averaging the expectations/conduct of multiple things based on cause-effect
Demeanor > verbalization
Allocating objects for interaction

[Creepy-]

I think anyone with half a brain and maturity would find that really off-putting.

Truth.

I guess that was a bad example, lol

Yeah, but it's not surprising that you [or anyone who frequents this forum] would believe that's what Fi is all about. *sigh*

Fi is internal bonds, and they often go unspoken... the bond is understood in other ways. Actions > words, please. I don't need or want to hear how much someone cares for me in words; I need and want them to show it in other ways. [I'm not saying this preference is exclusive to Fi-valuers, btw; I'm just pointing out that just like many Fe-valuers dislike outright cheesiness, so do many Fi-valuers.]

[Beautiful sky]

is not:
Seeking high activity spheres
Estimating the reactive state/possible reactions
Horizontal progression
Averaging the expectations/conduct of multiple things based on cause-effect
Demeanor > verbalization
Allocating objects for interaction

Umm there are a few things wrong with this
FiSe does seek high activity spheres
FiNe estimates reaction by aggravating the person.

[Beautiful sky]

Are you trying to make excuses for yourself?

No. You've read Jung's work and you can remember what it says.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

FiNe estimates reaction by aggravating the person.

Estimates reaction toward what end? What exactly is the FiNe seeking to define, here?

[Galen]

Yeah I concur that the OP quotes don't sound at all Fi. It sounds way too overbearing and direct in its emotional content, whereas Fi (at least sane Fi) is much more subtle and implicit in its emotionality.

[Beautiful sky]

Estimates reaction toward what end? What exactly is the FiNe seeking to define, here?

to extract libido from the object

[Beautiful sky]

You're saying you want to extract sexual desire from it?

HAHAHA...no you silly libido has more meanings then sex.

[jessica129]

So the OP is Fe? No one wants to claim this example, lol.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

HAHAHA...no you silly libido has more meanings then sex.

How are you defining it, then?

[Beautiful sky]

How are you defining it, then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libido

manipulation

[Cuddly McFluffles]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libido

manipulation

*blink* So you're saying FiNe aggravates the person to get an estimate of how much that person is attracted to them?

[Beautiful sky]

*blink* So you're saying FiNe aggravates the person to get an estimate of how much that person is attracted to them?

Why are you blinking?

[Cuddly McFluffles]

Why are you blinking?

I'm trying to follow your train of thought and am not sure I'm on the right track.

[Suz]

Are you trying to make excuses for yourself?

LOL!!!

[Absurd]

Why are you blinking, Ryene ?

[Beautiful sky]

I would love to comment, but I have to go eat something, sorry.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I think some libido got in her eye.

Bahahaha

I would love to comment, but I have to go eat something, sorry.

OK. I'd like an answer when you get back, please.

[Lobo]

That to me is an example of Fe. Can't say it makes me want to vomit, but tell that person that they don't need to try so hard and chill .

[Slacker]

I don't think the text is an example of Fi or Fe. Sappiness is not type related. ;]

+1 Guys saying stupid stuff in an attempt to get laid is also not type related.

[Slacker]

Also, what is the age of the person who wrote it? I have an ESE friend with a teenage son who is SLI - I'm quite sure of their types - and she showed me a note he wrote his girlfriend that was every bit as sappy. And I really do think he's an SLI. And depsite the Fe PoLR, he'll say what his girlfriend wants to hear just like every other guy of every other type will.

And yes I know his mom should not be showing his notes around. But she thought it was SO CUTE and she's never seen him SO EMOTIONAL. Poor kid is supervised like crazy by his mom.

[Creepy-male]

Lol ok Jung in psychological types defines introversion as one focused on "the problem of how to extract libido from the object", which essentially more or less means how does one internalize something external to their subjective self. How can they relate to it on a raw visceral level, and not simply weighing themselves objectively against it.

But that is beside the point of this topic, and beside the point that its fucking hilarious reading this trainwreck... muhaha

Anyways, on topic, I'm going to have to agree more or less with MegaDoomer the standard socionics canned/processed interpretation of Fi is relationship ethics, so typically the most direct way that works is Fi types being aware of where they stand in relationships through feelings. Fi-PoLR usually means for example that you have trouble gauging this, you may assume your on good terms with someone that doesn't even know or like you, you may be rude or oblivious to someone who does like you. That's the standard canned interpretation of Fi and this passage doesn't fit that.

The Jungian interpretation is more nuianced and complex, its concerned with the internalization of feeling. In a sense Fe is taking oneself and weighing oneself against something and extrapolating feelings from that more or less. Not exactly like that, but the idea is to objectify the mood. Feelings don't exist within oneself but are in the air/mood and you are a participant in this mood. The Fi type feelings exist within oneself, deeply and at the visceral level, because libido has been extracted from this object, this air/mood and translated into meaningful depth. The Fi type isn't better at extracting libido, but it has a better focus on that struggle of extracting libido from feelings/moods.

At any rate I find the entire quoted part of the OP disgustingly too sweet. It seems detached from reality, how can one possibly be that happy without literally being forcibly lying to themselves. Reading this feels like a carebear just splooged carmel candy apple coating all over my arm and its burning and engulfing me in a sugary coating of plastic sweetness.... make it stop.