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    Can someone please find me a positive description of SLEs? I was reading some machine translated articles, and the IEI ones made me feel all warm and fuzzy about myself; now I want some articles to make me feel all warm and fuzzy about my duals, but every article I find describes SLEs as stupid brutes who basically just knock down shit, which does not describe literally any of the SLEs I know. I mean, I can see how the concepts transfer(ish), but... so yeah, where can I find a nice, complementary, positive description of an SLE, or at least something that sees SLEs as something beyond big, lacking nuance, good at knocking down things that are in their way.
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    Funny, I think the basic descriptions of SLEs on personalitycafe and socionics.com sound awesome. Haha. Type biasedness?

    I know what you mean about SLEs sound like brutes though. I feel if SLEs can control the impulsiveness of Se, we can learn to use it maturely, and focus on reaching our goals tactfully and politely, as well as encouraging/seeing the motivations/efforts of others. Using it to lead.

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    I've been looking at the "Bystritsky" descriptions on socionics.org recently, as I had been thinking they were pretty balanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    I've been looking at the "Bystritsky" descriptions on socionics.org recently, as I had been thinking they were pretty balanced.
    Just looked on that site and the "Tiger" description shows SLEs in a more sympathetic light (though I think some of it's not SLE-specific) (Google translation):

    In ESTP no problems - they are always all happy! Activity, with mild, direct, they enjoy the present and not worry about the future.

    ESTP really look at things and to understand the world based only on their perceptions, which is fully trusted. It is curious and astute observers. They take things as there are different broad-mindedness and tolerance towards others. Themselves, they also take with all faults. People type ESTP like specific things that you can touch, dismantled and re-assemble.

    ESTP prefer to act rather than talk, and solve problems as they arise, and very successfully, because the ability to perceive the facts, and then quickly find a logical and reasonable solutions without much expenditure of time and effort. They can conduct diplomatic negotiations with pleasure by using innovative approaches, and are usually able to convince the other party or to reach agreement. They are able to grasp the basic principles and make a decision based on logic rather than on their emotions. They are pragmatic and can be firm if the situation requires.

    The benevolent and charming, ESTP are successful and feel good in almost any situation and in any company. They are sociable, versatile, fun, they usually have in stock stories and jokes for all occasions. They clearly show themselves when you want to defuse tensions and reconcile the conflicting parties.

    Possible weaknesses

    People like ESTP tend to live for today and to unexpected conflicts responsive "emergency measures" that can create havoc for others. Because of the inability to plan ahead, they may miss opportunities. Sometimes they take on too much, overestimating its forces and as a result can not fulfill the obligation. People type ESTP may be advised to learn to look beyond today and interested not only in the material world, and to try to foresee how to finish work on time.

    ESTP sometimes ignore the feelings of others, may seem rude and tactless because of the desire to always be honest. Their aggressiveness can sometimes be interpreted as a lack of manners and alienate the people they seek to entertain. Communicate with people will be easier, if they try to combine their powers of observation and sensitivity to others. They achieve greater success when correlated their courage, energy and love of entertainment with the conditions in which other people will also feel comfortable with.

    In an effort to solve the problem as quickly and effortlessly, ESTP often rush from one adventure to another, waving from the fact that not very fond of. They should learn to manage your time and make long-term plans. This would help them be better prepared for their tasks. They will do better, if sometimes be a little slow down, work out for themselves the rules of behavior and think about what the consequences may lead to their actions.
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    I really like this part:

    In ESTP no problems - they are always all happy! Activity, with mild, direct, they enjoy the present and not worry about the future.
    I remember from my VI thread, way back when, I was smiling/happy so much, people associated that with either Feeling or Alpha. And that is not necessarily the case. That's yet another reason that fits ESTp perfectly, which I have a hard time explaining/convincing others of on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Can someone please find me a positive description of SLEs? I was reading some machine translated articles, and the IEI ones made me feel all warm and fuzzy about myself; now I want some articles to make me feel all warm and fuzzy about my duals, but every article I find describes SLEs as stupid brutes who basically just knock down shit, which does not describe literally any of the SLEs I know. I mean, I can see how the concepts transfer(ish), but... so yeah, where can I find a nice, complementary, positive description of an SLE, or at least something that sees SLEs as something beyond big, lacking nuance, good at knocking down things that are in their way.
    socionics.com's is good.

    http://www.socionics.com/prof/estp.htm

    Sensory-Logical Extratim - ESTp (The Conqueror)
    Based upon original work by Victor Gulenko with some alterations

    ESTps generally have either slim figures or firm and solid figures. Slim ESTps have slow and phlegmatic movements, giving the impression of calmness and self-confidence. Females often have a fragile appearance. Solid ESTps have free and flexible movements. When standing in one place they tend to wriggle rhythmically as if they have a slight electric current running through them.

    Their eyebrows are often asymmetrical. When ESTps want to show their dissatisfaction they frown as if they are angry. Older ESTps often become puffy and swollen around the eyes. They also have a tendency to squint. Their noses are usually quite wide at the base and their jaws are also large and square. They may have thick, immobile lips, making their speech somewhat garbled.

    ESTps rarely wear eye-catching clothes. They try to maintain a neutral style of clothes, steering away from fashion. Females prefer not to wear very bright or colourful clothing. Males have an inclination to official styles of clothing such as suits etc. ESTps generally prefer to remain in the shadows.

    When in conversation, ESTps always show self-restraint and tact. They generally interact in an open and friendly manner, always showing positive emotions. They do not like to openly express their opinions. During interaction ESTps always try to show that they are paying full attention and that they understand their interlocutor very well. One of the ways they do this is by asking many questions concerning personal problems or opinions. They do this with masterful tact and delicacy, therefore gaining other peoples trust very quickly.

    ESTps have a very characteristic way of behaving when in conversation. They can pause for long periods of time before replying to questions or statements. This can give the impression that they are assimilating the received information. In situations such as these they usually squint. ESTps are never afraid to show others that they did not understand or do not know something and therefore never hesitate ask people to repeat or to specify what they said. ESTps enjoy showing their understanding and like to explain things to others. They always do this slowly and methodically giving simple, practical examples. They also prefer to have the last word in conversations, concluding the dialogue themselves.

    When in confrontation, ESTps quickly focus on their opponents weaknesses, usually destroying them with one perfectly placed phrase. If this opportunity does not manifest itself, they have the skills to provoke the reaction they desire. ESTps are very slow to anger. And when they do become angered it is very difficult for them to calm down. They like games that require quick thinking and tactics and often win these games as they have great skill misleading and provoking their opponents into making bad moves.

    ESTps have cast-iron self-control and nearly always achieve their goals. If required they can step on anyone or anything often ignoring ethics completely if the situation calls for it. If a project becomes too big and difficult for them to control by themselves, they will delegate the less important parts of the project, giving others complete independence to make their own decisions. ESTps do not care much how people achieve results. They give others complete independence to choose their own method of working, as they consider the end result to be more important.

    ESTps are very tactically minded and know how to adapt to changing situations very quickly. They know how to arrange people according to their abilities and usefulness. They prefer to adopt an informal and unofficial leadership. They also do not like doing their own dirty work. ESTps are hard working and extremely persevering people. The more obstacles they meet the more obvious these qualities become. They do not react well to unchallenging situations. They truly come alive in the face of adversity. ESTps are inclined to give ultimatums.

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    The only positive SLE description I know of. It might be a bit vague, but at least it's in list format.

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    That one is just freakishly and scarily good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Funny, I think the basic descriptions of SLEs on personalitycafe and socionics.com sound awesome. Haha. Type biasedness?

    I know what you mean about SLEs sound like brutes though. I feel if SLEs can control the impulsiveness of Se, we can learn to use it maturely, and focus on reaching our goals tactfully and politely, as well as encouraging/seeing the motivations/efforts of others. Using it to lead.
    Isn't this rationalizing? As in forming something into a conception? That would be J. When you set a goal, a target as in saying "we can learn to use it maturely" you're making a preformed judgement.

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