LSI-ISTj is the only dependable Beta

[discojoe]

In descending order:

1. IEIs live in lala land and regard people who expect them to live up to voluntarily accepted deadlines as being too demanding.
   
   
2. EIEs are high energy and good at being on time, but they're also the kind of person who says "I'll call you tomorrow and we can hang out" and then never calls you. Both IEIs and EIEs are prone to suddenly vanishing during AIM conversations, which is okay every now and then, but not on such a consistent basis.
   
   
3. SLEs are only on time when it comes to business or sex. In all other matters they are often liable to show up whenever they feel like it, offering either no excuse because they don't care or giving an irritated "Fuck off" kind of thing. This is the most acceptable kind of flakiness, because at least it is direct and quantifiable.
   
   
4. LSIs are punctuality personified anthropomorphically. I am virtually never late for anything. Only on a few extremely rare occasions have I been late for work, for school, or for any other appointments. If I say I will call you, I call you. If I say I'll give you a ride somewhere at a certain time, then I will most likely be there ten minutes early to pick you up. Other LSIs I have known have shared these same characteristics.

Conclusion: LSIs are the only Betas you can trust. The only sane ones. The only ones who consistently adhere to basic courtesy and conscientiousness.

OR MAYBE I'M JUST TROLLING.

I am part serious and part trolling, so don't take everything I said literally; it's lighthearted.

[EyeSeeCold]

You can depend on the undependable to be dependably undependable thus their dependability forms around undependability which allows you to depend on them only when they will be dependable.

[Computer Loser]

So true.

LSIs- we say what we mean, and mean what we say

And that AIM vanishing thing is so annoying

[07490]

And that AIM vanishing thing is so annoying

When I talk to other EIE's (especially the girls) are like that. But I never do that. ha

[jessica129]

I'm usually always early for everything. Normally it's not by choice...I hate sitting around knowing I have to be a certain place at a certain time, I get super impatient so I'll leave 40 minutes early for a place that's 10 minutes away. I find myself waiting on others a majority of the time. I just don't get what's so hard about time management and having a little respect for the other person.

[Words]

Weak and ridiculous stereotypes, some might even say returded.

[Singu]

...you're not an LSI, that post was some of the most unreliable data ever. But yeah, Beta J types in general are probably dependable. Delta J types, are also probably dependable. Maybe J types in general, are all dependable! But that's just a stereotype, and it's not 100% related to types.

[jessica129]

How is this not type related??? I must've missed the memo everyone here apparently got that personality typing doesn't consist of lumping people into catagories because i'm pretty sure that's the point of personality typing...to narrow people down into a catagory. This place has gotten ridiculous lately with all the fear of labeling.

[Singu]

Well I am saying that it's type related, in general. J types are probably more predictable in general. But you can't seriously expect to say that it's type related on a case-to-case, individual-to-individual basis, to say that this type is always dependable, and this type is always undependable, because these things can also be learned.

[Sir Knight]

How is this not type related??? I must've missed the memo everyone here apparently got that personality typing doesn't consist of lumping people into catagories because i'm pretty sure that's the point of personality typing...to narrow people down into a catagory. This place has gotten ridiculous lately with all the fear of labeling.

Well yes, that is the point of personality typing, but, narrow as the categories are, there's still quite a bit of wiggle room. I mean, if you want to tell me that every extant IEI has no time management skills at all ever then I will roll my eyes SO MOTHERFUCKING HARD that they will tear free from the nerve stem and slosh right out of eyesockets.

I mean, I realize I'm getting all hyperbolic here, but behaviour-wise, types can only predict stereotypes. Generally useful, but never really specifically applicable.

[discojoe]

Lol @ the whiny Alpha responses.

[Wynch]

That's ascending order.

[discojoe]

That's ascending order.

Depends on how you measure it.

I was thinking 4 3 2 1.

Meaning, from least dependable to most.

[Wynch]

Well you used the numbers 1 -> 4 and ordered them from least dependable to most dependable, which would be ascending.

[discojoe]

Well you used the numbers 1 -> 4 and ordered them from least dependable to most dependable, which would be ascending.

Uh... yeah... I got that. Thanks for the kindergarten lesson.

[Lobo]

I agree, but then again, I might be biased in seeing Ijs in general as the most naturally dependable types... LSIs to me are the ones that are usually dependable to a fault, because they take their systems very seriously. They see how maintaining a consistent pattern of behavior/actions regardless of obstacles is what keeps things going, and in relationships with people, establishes trust and dependability.

[Wynch]

Uh... yeah... I got that. Thanks for the kindergarten lesson.

You're welcome.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

My LSI stepfather is pretty bad about being anywhere on time. I mean, he's not the only one making us late, but he is one of them. It really pisses off my ESE mother when he tries to cram in one last task that inevitably takes too much time.

The IEI stereotype was amusing, though.

[glam]

i wanna say my EIE sister is pretty dependable in the sense that she takes charge of running her household - she keeps track of the bills, calls the landlord when necessary, makes sure the place is clean and decorated nicely, etc. then again she lives w/two lazy IEIs so she might not have a choice, lol. i can tell it probably stresses her out though, feeling like she always has to do everything.

also she never forgets if she owes me money or something like that (i do forget.)

[Beautiful sky]

In descending order:

1. IEIs live in lala land and regard people who expect them to live up to voluntarily accepted deadlines as being too demanding.
   
   
2. EIEs are high energy and good at being on time, but they're also the kind of person who says "I'll call you tomorrow and we can hang out" and then never calls you. Both IEIs and EIEs are prone to suddenly vanishing during AIM conversations, which is okay every now and then, but not on such a consistent basis.
   
   
3. SLEs are only on time when it comes to business or sex. In all other matters they are often liable to show up whenever they feel like it, offering either no excuse because they don't care or giving an irritated "Fuck off" kind of thing. This is the most acceptable kind of flakiness, because at least it is direct and quantifiable.
   
   
4. LSIs are punctuality personified anthropomorphically. I am virtually never late for anything. Only on a few extremely rare occasions have I been late for work, for school, or for any other appointments. If I say I will call you, I call you. If I say I'll give you a ride somewhere at a certain time, then I will most likely be there ten minutes early to pick you up. Other LSIs I have known have shared these same characteristics.

Conclusion: LSIs are the only Betas you can trust. The only sane ones. The only ones who consistently adhere to basic courtesy and conscientiousness.

OR MAYBE I'M JUST TROLLING.

I am part serious and part trolling, so don't take everything I said literally; it's lighthearted.

Well, that would be Se demonstrative and a lot of Extraverted observation for such an introvert, as you kinda claim to be (even though this is telling that you're not); also it's in order (Te). Hummm makes me wonder why you didn't ignore it.

[Sir Knight]

Well, that would be Se demonstrative and a lot of Extraverted observation for such an introvert, as you kinda claim to be (even though this is telling that you're not); also it's in order (Te). Hummm makes me wonder why you didn't ignore it.

Ooh! Ooh! What about me?! What's my type?

[Beautiful sky]

And, there aren't any spelling errors...Dj

So, do you wanna be perfect???

Cuz, I love your perfection.

Ooh! Ooh! What about me?! What's my type?

The clue to your type lies in these posts taken from previous threads in which you contributed...

I wouldn't say this is a rationalization of laziness. The way I see it, I've been hired by my employer to provide a number of services for the company. I'm paid only to complete those services. So, if I've finished all of the work that's asked of me and for which I am getting paid, why should I be expected to do more? If I do someone else's job will I get someone else's pay to go with it? No, probably not.

Thirding this. Taking up some extra responsibility at work is a great way to pass the time (since nothing is more excruciating than watching the clock) and it also staves off the guilt of getting paid to sit around and do nothing but it's important to remember that you're an employee. They're buying your skills and services by giving you a paycheck. If they see your extra effort, which you do as a nicety, and start expecting you to perform to that level all the time, then they can pay you extra for it.

and the answer is found here in one of Aushra's articles on Extraverts and Introverts, specifically students of each type and their performance styles...

http://socionics.org/theory/Default....d=jungbio.html

[Creepy-Snaps]

SLEs are only on time when it comes to business or sex. In all other matters they are often liable to show up whenever they feel like it, offering either no excuse because they don't care or giving an irritated "Fuck off" kind of thing. This is the most acceptable kind of flakiness, because at least it is direct and quantifiable.


LSIs are punctuality personified anthropomorphically. I am virtually never late for anything. Only on a few extremely rare occasions have I been late for work, for school, or for any other appointments. If I say I will call you, I call you. If I say I'll give you a ride somewhere at a certain time, then I will most likely be there ten minutes early to pick you up. Other LSIs I have known have shared these same characteristics.


Conclusion: LSIs are the only Betas you can trust. The only sane ones. The only ones who consistently adhere to basic courtesy and conscientiousness.

So basically SLEs are on-time for the stuff that actually matters. What do you want? A gold star for being early for hanging with friends? All of your 'conscientiousness' often goes unnoticed, and you get walked over and taken advantage of.

Anything with business, I am on time. Always. If it affects other people whom I don't personally know. I respect their time. I expect them to respect my time. Always. Same goes with school meetings, meeting friends/people I don't know that well, appointments, etc.

If it's someone I'm personally friends with, so what if I'm 10 minutes late? Is the activity we're doing time sensitive? Ie. trying to make it to the movies by a certain time? Your example, giving a car ride for someone, so they can make it someplace on time? Stuff like that, it really depends what it's for. I can't say I'm always on time. I can't say I even care. What's wrong being a few minutes late?

I've found that SLE's actions tend to match their words. If they say they're going to do something they're usually pretty good at making it happen.

Exactly. As long as it gets done. That's all that matters. If I say I'll make it happen, it'll happen.

[redbaron]

I've found that SLE's actions tend to match their words. If they say they're going to do something they're usually pretty good at making it happen.

I think Peter's original post is pretty accurate. This bolded part here is the kicker. I've found that SLEs pretty much avoid/refuse to make promises in the first place. So when they do, they'll make it happen but they tend to wanna leave everything open-ended.

edit: I'll also say that I'm rarely late for anything. But I can be unpredictable when it comes to other things like returning calls/texts. Depends on how I feel. And I'm like SLE in that I hesitate to promise unless I already know it's something I'm planning on doing or that it fits into my goals of what I wanted to do anyway, etc.

[Slacker]

I think Peter's original post is pretty accurate. This bolded part here is the kicker. I've found that SLEs pretty much avoid/refuse to make promises in the first place. So when they do, they'll make it happen but they tend to wanna leave everything open-ended.

edit: I'll also say that I'm almost always on time. But I can be unpredictable when it comes to other things like returning calls/texts. Depends on how I feel. And I'm like SLE in that I hesitate to promise unless I already know it's something I'm planning on doing or that it fits into my goals of what I wanted to do anyway, etc.

To some extent that's an Ep trait.

My EIE dad is ALWAYS early for everything, and annoyingly so, and expects it from everyone. But that might have been taught to him by my LIE mom. IEIs are by nature late. (Yes, a stereotype, but as with a lot of stereotypes there's truth in it even if it isn't 100%.) I can't complain too much because I am random as far as lateness goes. Which absolutely annoys LSIs. I try to be on time but then I'll have forgotten like three things until the last moment or I'll suddenly notice something I wanted to do, or whatever.

[FDG]

process-J: always 20-30 minutes early.
result-J & process-P: more or less on time
result-P: often kinda late

[mikemex]

I think all this discussion is pretty stupid. It depends on the particular person.

You're generalizing too much. Ij means mental rigidity and nothing else. You can be rigid about an habit of being late, mean or whatever. You could say it's a virtue to fulfill promises, but it could also be seen from the perspective of not being able to move your schedule one bit due to your mental rigidity.

It would be far more interesting to discuss what makes two members of the same type so different. There are betas I dislike to the bone while there are others I admire.

[discojoe]

If you think I am generalizing too much, then fuck off, because you miss the point of typology. Very tragically and embarrassingly.

[Creepy-Snaps]

You're generalizing too much. Ij means mental rigidity and nothing else.

"I blame others for being too general. Now listen to my 2nd sentence which ironically is a general statement as well."

[Slacker]

"I blame others for being too general. Now listen to my 2nd sentence which ironically is a general statement as well."

Well that's kind of a classic response of someone strong in Ti to someone weak in Ti when we contradict ourselves, so I'll put a tick in the "maybe Ti" column for you. LOL.

[Beautiful sky]

"I blame others for being too general. Now listen to my 2nd sentence which ironically is a general statement as well."

Yeah, but that's because she's Ti PoLR... You can't expect her to see what you saw...the difference (contradiction) !

Well that's kind of a classic response of someone strong in Ti to someone weak in Ti when we contradict ourselves, so I'll put a tick in the "maybe Ti" column for you. LOL.

LOL you and I just said the same thing in different ways.

Yes, he is Ti, LIKE I've been saying.

But, I get you, you don't settle quickly and need more examples to be sure, so go ahead and dig for more info.

If you think I am generalizing too much, then fuck off, because you miss the point of typology. Very tragically and embarrassingly.

YOU'RE STILL MY DUAL AND THERE'S NOT A GRAIN OF TI IN YOU.
Because, unlike MD, you don't point out people's contradictions in logic, only looking for consistency.

[discojoe]

There was no logical contradiction. Fail.

[Creepy-Snaps]

There was no logical contradiction. Fail.

There doesn't need to be a logical contradiction for there to be irony.



P.S. Lighten up. Smile.

[discojoe]

There doesn't need to be a logical contradiction for there to be irony.



P.S. Lighten up. Smile.

I was talking to Maritsa.

[Beautiful sky]

There was no logical contradiction. Fail.

it may not be a "logical" contradiction, nevertheless it is one where Ti PoLR individuals contradict themselves. Ti polr individuals will notice that the person said something once before but ignoring rules of consistency will say something else later on; MD observed this inconsistency in mike and both Mariella and I noticed that he caught it because he values that function's ability to observe these actions.

[slownumbers]

In descending order:

1. IEIs live in lala land and regard people who expect them to live up to voluntarily accepted deadlines as being too demanding.
   
   
2. EIEs are high energy and good at being on time, but they're also the kind of person who says "I'll call you tomorrow and we can hang out" and then never calls you. Both IEIs and EIEs are prone to suddenly vanishing during AIM conversations, which is okay every now and then, but not on such a consistent basis.
   
   
3. SLEs are only on time when it comes to business or sex. In all other matters they are often liable to show up whenever they feel like it, offering either no excuse because they don't care or giving an irritated "Fuck off" kind of thing. This is the most acceptable kind of flakiness, because at least it is direct and quantifiable.
   
   
4. LSIs are punctuality personified anthropomorphically. I am virtually never late for anything. Only on a few extremely rare occasions have I been late for work, for school, or for any other appointments. If I say I will call you, I call you. If I say I'll give you a ride somewhere at a certain time, then I will most likely be there ten minutes early to pick you up. Other LSIs I have known have shared these same characteristics.

Conclusion: LSIs are the only Betas you can trust. The only sane ones. The only ones who consistently adhere to basic courtesy and conscientiousness.

OR MAYBE I'M JUST TROLLING.

I am part serious and part trolling, so don't take everything I said literally; it's lighthearted.

Haha, you definitely *are* an ISTj. Even though I live in la la land as an IEI, I will say I am prompt and on time when it comes to meeting people and sticking to my promises. Or wait... I think so? Let me get back to you about that

[Timeless]

Pretty much. The way I see it:

IEIs are dependable as Windows 98.
LSIs are dependable as Linux.
EIEs are dependable as Mac OS X.
SLEs are dependable as Windows Vista.

[JuJu]

Pretty much. The way I see it:

IEIs are dependable as Windows 98.
LSIs are dependable as Linux.
EIEs are dependable as Mac OS X.
SLEs are dependable as Windows Vista.

This is one of the most alpha posts I've ever seen!

Loose, light-hearted, speculative correlations regarding sociotypes and technological products... the only way to make it more alpha would be to include the actor justin long or a neon clad japanese girl holding a hello kitty

[Ezra]

In descending order:

1. IEIs live in lala land and regard people who expect them to live up to voluntarily accepted deadlines as being too demanding.
   
   
2. EIEs are high energy and good at being on time, but they're also the kind of person who says "I'll call you tomorrow and we can hang out" and then never calls you. Both IEIs and EIEs are prone to suddenly vanishing during AIM conversations, which is okay every now and then, but not on such a consistent basis.
   
   
3. SLEs are only on time when it comes to business or sex. In all other matters they are often liable to show up whenever they feel like it, offering either no excuse because they don't care or giving an irritated "Fuck off" kind of thing. This is the most acceptable kind of flakiness, because at least it is direct and quantifiable.
   
   
4. LSIs are punctuality personified anthropomorphically. I am virtually never late for anything. Only on a few extremely rare occasions have I been late for work, for school, or for any other appointments. If I say I will call you, I call you. If I say I'll give you a ride somewhere at a certain time, then I will most likely be there ten minutes early to pick you up. Other LSIs I have known have shared these same characteristics.

Conclusion: LSIs are the only Betas you can trust. The only sane ones. The only ones who consistently adhere to basic courtesy and conscientiousness.

OR MAYBE I'M JUST TROLLING.

I am part serious and part trolling, so don't take everything I said literally; it's lighthearted.

Basically agree.

[Gilly]

This is one of the most alpha posts I've ever seen!

Loose, light-hearted, speculative correlations regarding sociotypes and technological products... the only way to make it more alpha would be to include the actor justin long or a neon clad japanese girl holding a hello kitty

Hey Juju, wanna see my Weewee?