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    You know what's dumb? Socionics is the study of intertype relationships. What about Identical relationships? That's not intertype, that's inter-people. That's intratype. Not an intertype relationship. 'The study of intertype relationships' is not all-encompassing for what socionics actually is! We need a change.

    And considering how important function analysis is between two different types, why not 'the study of function interaction' or 'the study of interpersonal relationships' or 'the study of psychological interpersonal interaction' or 'the study of psychological relationships'.

    I dunno. I'm just being picky cause of pianosinger's thread to rename "conflictors".

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    i really wish i could objectively justify the idea of you being my conflictor.

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    Two reactions.

    1) This is thoroughly unnecessary. Just because you dislike her thread doesn't mean you ought to make fun of it.

    2) The argument itself was worth a chuckle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    I dunno. I'm just being picky cause of pianosinger's thread to rename "conflictors".

    Conflictors are fun! Let's rename them Funflictors!
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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    i really wish i could objectively justify the idea of you being my conflictor.
    hahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    You know what's dumb? Socionics is the study of intertype relationships. What about Identical relationships? That's not intertype, that's inter-people. That's intratype. Not an intertype relationship. 'The study of intertype relationships' is not all-encompassing for what socionics actually is! We need a change.

    And considering how important function analysis is between two different types, why not 'the study of function interaction' or 'the study of interpersonal relationships' or 'the study of psychological interpersonal interaction' or 'the study of psychological relationships'.

    I dunno. I'm just being picky cause of pianosinger's thread to rename "conflictors".
    I don't know if you're joking or not but this has got to be one of the saddest things I've read for a while, well at least since the last thing I read on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    why not 'the study of function interaction'
    Yes, I've always thought of socionics as "the study of interaction patterns between types"

    It's not about relationships, that's too broad a definition. Something which contains the word 'interaction' will be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    I dunno. I'm just being picky cause of pianosinger's thread to rename "conflictors".
    You seem to be picking on me a good deal lately...I'm going to assume it's because you like me
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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    i really wish i could objectively justify the idea of you being my conflictor.
    Hahahahaha. Likewise. And I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Words View Post
    I don't know if you're joking or not but this has got to be one of the saddest things I've read for a while, well at least since the last thing I read on this site.
    Was only a joke.

    And I don't understand your 2nd part. If you don't read here often, how can your prepositional phrase "for a while" hold any significance as to the degree of this thread's sadness?

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    2) The argument itself was worth a chuckle.
    That's all I was going for, thanks.

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    You seem to be picking on me a good deal lately...I'm going to assume it's because you like me
    That's it!!! You guessed it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post


    That's it!!! You guessed it!
    I knew it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    You know what's dumb? Socionics is the study of intertype relationships. What about Identical relationships? That's not intertype, that's inter-people. That's intratype. Not an intertype relationship. 'The study of intertype relationships' is not all-encompassing for what socionics actually is! We need a change.

    And considering how important function analysis is between two different types, why not 'the study of function interaction' or 'the study of interpersonal relationships' or 'the study of psychological interpersonal interaction' or 'the study of psychological relationships'.

    I dunno. I'm just being picky cause of pianosinger's thread to rename "conflictors".
    Worst post ever...

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    That post isn't dumb IMO. It's so Ti of him to say that the definition of words and how something is used does not correlate with one another. He's just matching things up based on Ti type of thinking. Define the word then see how another source relates or doesn't relate to it (matching) is what Ti seeks to do.

    If you looked up the definitions of intertype and intratype you would probably agree.

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    He is using for sure, but the natural language convention here is dumb compared to the math convention, which is that things are not assumed to be distinct unless specified. Are you seriously going to say that we need a separate category for Identical relationships? It just doesn't make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    He is using for sure, but the natural language convention here is dumb compared to the math convention, which is that things are not assumed to be distinct unless specified. Are you seriously going to say that we need a separate category for Identical relationships? It just doesn't make sense.
    That's what Ti does, makes categories. That's what TiSe does, makes many useless categories because they avoid Te (efficiency of these categories). These actions, of making categories, works fine for them because what else can they do with their Ne? What? conserve energy (using Si?) NO NO I don't think so... They make work so they can use their Se to do more work by form of extreme energy expenditure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    That's what Ti does, makes categories. That's what TiSe does, makes many useless categories because they avoid Te (efficiency of these categories).
    Maybe if they're being retarded...sane/intelligent types know when to use and when to use .

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    Maybe if they're being retarded...sane/intelligent types know when to use and when to use .
    Now that's not a socionics accurate statement because Ti base ignores Te..so they can't use both; they can only use one or the other. However, Ti creatives can use Te or demonstrate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Now that's not a socionics accurate statement because Ti base ignores Te..so they can't use both; they can only use one or the other. However, Ti creatives can use Te or demonstrate it.
    EVERYBODY USES ALL OF THE FUNCTIONS DO SOME RESEARCH

    see, I just used .

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    EVERYBODY USES ALL OF THE FUNCTIONS DO SOME RESEARCH

    see, I just used .
    That's not what's written in Socioniko site.

    Ignoring function
    The ignoring function is also called the observing, or limiting function.
    A person has very little use of this element, as it is the rival image of the base function, representing an antithetical approach to the same domain. It lies in the subconscious as a persistent annoyance to the individual. Therefore, he or she tries to ignore it. When lectured by another on the use of the ignoring function, the individual sees it as superfluous information, for he or she knows how to use the function well, but chooses not to use it in favor of his or her more convenient base function. Usually the base function creates byproducts relating to the ignoring function, but the way it describes such information is very carefully chosen to fit the view of the leading function.

    Most of his writing on this is inaccurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    That's not what's written in Socioniko site.

    Ignoring function
    The ignoring function is also called the observing, or limiting function.
    A person has very little use of this element, as it is the rival image of the base function, representing an antithetical approach to the same domain. It lies in the subconscious as a persistent annoyance to the individual. Therefore, he or she tries to ignore it. When lectured by another on the use of the ignoring function, the individual sees it as superfluous information, for he or she knows how to use the function well, but chooses not to use it in favor of his or her more convenient base function. Usually the base function creates byproducts relating to the ignoring function, but the way it describes such information is very carefully chosen to fit the view of the leading function.

    Most of his writing on this is inaccurate.
    You are misinterpreting what it says. It doesn't say "Ti leading types always use Ti and always ignore Te", it says that Ti leading types "have very little use of Te". And even that is an exaggeration, IMO.

    From The Dual Nature of Man:

    Each individual has all eight IM elements contained in his psyche. In other words, each of us utilizes the same ways of receiving and processing information. However, in difficult situations that demand our intellectual efforts, people tend to rely on only one pair of elements — one black and one white. These are what define one's IM type.



    In fact it's pretty hard for anyone to use without using . There's always a little bit of "spillover" between intro/extro forms.

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    To be honest, I should say that I actually do sometimes like making categories that I'm probably never going to "use" per se (such as compulsively organizing internet bookmarks or tagging threads), but they have to have a point from a organizational point of view also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    You are misinterpreting what it says. It doesn't say "Ti leading types always use Ti and always ignore Te", it says that Ti leading types "have very little use of Te". And even that is an exaggeration, IMO.

    From The Dual Nature of Man:

    Each individual has all eight IM elements contained in his psyche. In other words, each of us utilizes the same ways of receiving and processing information. However, in difficult situations that demand our intellectual efforts, people tend to rely on only one pair of elements — one black and one white. These are what define one's IM type.



    In fact it's pretty hard for anyone to use without using . There's always a little bit of "spillover" between intro/extro forms.
    This is so simple, just read Jung's work; you are one or the other. It's clear as black and white to me; you have to ignore Te (which subsides in the subconscious) in order to do what you are which is Ti and be a Ti type. There's no other way; if there were, then I could be a dual to LII or anyone, which I can not be. We have very limited choices by freewill or by use of our brain's inherited abilities.
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