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    Just wondering. I have no plans to read the books myself. But I find it interesting that the members of my family who have read the books are all Betas (except for my dad, who is probably Alpha). The rest of us who have not read it are all Deltas or Gammas, and we all agree that the books do not interest us at all.
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    What really struck me about the first book though was the vacuousness of it. Their love appeared to run on pure lust, and Bella seemed quite unremarkable. If these are 'Beta' books, what exactly makes these books appeal to Betas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton2 View Post
    Yes. They are the epitome of Beta quadra.
    wth? no.

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    I agree that the books are beta, but I think the (bad) actors are Delta.

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    Safe bet that it's beta; I'm not going to assert that all of beta is contained in it or that all betas would be attracted to the stuff, but it's definitely a subset of what beta represents.

    Lust is
    Add in a major Se influence and we have a deal. I wouldn't say I'm generally motived by anything describable as "lust". It takes something more for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    Just wondering. I have no plans to read the books myself. But I find it interesting that the members of my family who have read the books are all Betas (except for my dad, who is probably Alpha). The rest of us who have not read it are all Deltas or Gammas, and we all agree that the books do not interest us at all.
    The only reason I read one of the books is because I was curious about all the commotion they were stirring & other people kept telling me how great they were. Same with Harry Potter. The only difference is that I actually liked the Harry Potter books & continued to read all of them, while the first Twilight book I read was horrible, so I refused to read the rest of them.

    Anyway, I think the actor who plays Edward (Robert Pattinson) is IEI. In interviews he's like a male version of myself...
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    I may finish the series one day, but the first book did not endear Bella to me. Spineless twit. uke:

    Um.. Why would lust be ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    Add in a major Se influence and we have a deal. I wouldn't say I'm generally motived by anything describable as "lust". It takes something more for that.
    I suppose many Twilight fans wouldn't call it exactly "lust", but the idea of Fe seems pretty appropriate here. Basically a strong emotional passion drove their relationship. I didn't feel like there was any 'glue' to their relationship, and I wouldn't say that they 'fit' together. Very much an adolescent fantasy with no deeper meaning behind it.

    The book was dripping with sappiness. Vapid sappiness, in my opinion.

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    I suppose you could describe Beta as "passionate"

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    The book was dripping with sappiness. Vapid sappiness, in my opinion.
    Yes, oh so corny. It was embarrassing for me to read.
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    I like "passion" as a general description of Fe. I'm very passionate about most of the Ne/Si pursuits that I delve into; possibly even seeing the pursuit of passions as the main metric of meaningful progress in life. "Lust" on the other hand is something rather foreign to me.

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    I found the books primarily uninteresting. I did not view the movie(s).

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    Are the Twilight books Beta books?
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    The series is absolutely shitty, but much as it pains me to admit it... yeah, it is Beta.
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    Argh. Yes, unfortunately, Twilight does exhibit a basic LSI-EIE relationship pattern. Nevertheless, any person with any modicum of taste can distinguish between Twilight and anything approximating quality, story, or a novel.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    NOPE Gamma books; the author is SEE type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    NOPE Gamma books; the author is SEE type.
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    Twilight can bend over while I insert a bully stick up its ass.

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    I honestly felt dumber after having read the first twilight book. It felt like it was written by a 12 year old. The characters are just so...blah. There's no substance. I don't know if it's Beta or not....the only reason i was so curious to keep up with the movies was because of all the hype. Had it not been for that, there's no way it could've become such a hit because it sucks. And I hate the fact I have to keep watching them to find out what happens even though the entire time I can't help but think how corny and childish the whole thing is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    I honestly felt dumber after having read the first twilight book.
    Never read it, seen the film only. The chick is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    I honestly felt dumber after having read the first twilight book. It felt like it was written by a 12 year old. The characters are just so...blah. There's no substance. I don't know if it's Beta or not....the only reason i was so curious to keep up with the movies was because of all the hype. Had it not been for that, there's no way it could've become such a hit because it sucks. And I hate the fact I have to keep watching them to find out what happens even though the entire time I can't help but think how corny and childish the whole thing is.
    I felt dumber after reading several excerpts on the internet.

    If you're so curious... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twiligh...#Plot_overview. Or google one of Twilight fan pages. You'll get that excuse of a plot in several minutes, without the brain degenaration caused by hours of exposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    I felt dumber after reading several excerpts on the internet.
    That means I'm smarter than both of yous. Hah, I knew it.

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    i read the Twilight books, and they aren't Beta. most of the main characters, especially the ones that the author treats the most sympathetically, aren't Beta. i don't know what type Stephenie Meyer is anymore, but she isn't Beta either.

    Twilight = not Beta.

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    Whatever it is its crap
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    Don't worry, Gamma! You get Nic Cage to balance Stephanie Meyer out.

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    Why is Twilight so popular? Anyway, I have only watched the movies so far, and I thought the storyline is unremarkable. I don't find myself feeling for the characters either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Argh. Yes, unfortunately, Twilight does exhibit a basic LSI-EIE relationship pattern. Nevertheless, any person with any modicum of taste can distinguish between Twilight and anything approximating quality, story, or a novel.
    Both Bella and Edward are IEI in my opinion (Edward is IEI-Fe and Bella IEI-Ti). If they were Beta J duals though, my money's on Bella-LSI, and Edward-EIE.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

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    I think Bella the character is maybe supposed to be IEI, but that actress is very wooden and I think maybe SLI, she's just an awful actress, and I think the book is poorly written enough and between that and the bad acting it's hard to pinpoint. But she seems like she has to be a victim.

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    I have happily avoided Twilight. But I will say that the author also wrote this:

    http://www.amazon.com/Host-Novel-Ste...6144129&sr=8-3

    And for genre fiction, it's reasonably deft. (I worked on the U.S. edition of it.) I have to assume she improved as a writer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    I have to assume she improved as a writer.
    That's a dangerous assumption, from what I've seen of the book.

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    I thought the films were rather Gammaish, it had the heavily melodramatic - romance but the melodrama is far too emotionally muted to be valuing, there's no warmth there, but that could just be because the actors are wooden idk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    That's a dangerous assumption, from what I've seen of the book.
    Actually it's a fairly safe assumption. Pretty much anything is an improvement over the eye-gougingly horrifying prose Twilight was saddled with. If I'd been forced to read the actual book (I read an MST), I probably would not be able to type this, due to having clawed my eyes out.
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    ... disregard what I said, I misunderstood Golden's comment.

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    I preferred the movies a lot more than the book I read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    I thought the films were rather Gammaish, it had the heavily melodramatic - romance but the melodrama is far too emotionally muted to be valuing, there's no warmth there, but that could just be because the actors are wooden idk
    that's how the romance in the books is too. (i haven't seen the movies so i can't comment on them)

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    I think Bella the character is maybe supposed to be IEI, but that actress is very wooden and I think maybe SLI, she's just an awful actress, and I think the book is poorly written enough and between that and the bad acting it's hard to pinpoint. But she seems like she has to be a victim.
    i agree Bella is a Victim, but i think she's ILI. in the books it's clear she does not like dealing with Fe, when she uses it it's only because she feels she has to, and then it's rather mechanical and formulaic how she does it, imo. it's a "oh, i think they want me to smile now, so i'll do that so i don't look weird" kind of thing. she doesn't use Fe to naturally and consciously communicate how she's really feeling, or to manipulate other people's emotions like an IEI would. Edward (ESI) watches out for how she's feeling, and is able to do so even without Bella explicitly expressing emotion.

    also look at her relationships with various characters. with her father (SLI), she gets along very well with him, and both enjoy the fact that they do not have to be particularly expressive or emotionally demonstrative with each other. their communication is very straightforward and undramatic, and both people appreciate this. they live together at a relaxed, easy, undemanding pace (Irrationals, Ip temperaments.) also Bella becomes fast friends with people like Alice (SEE) and Jacob (SEE), who are both good at pushing Bella to do things, and if they don't succeed they keep on trying. Bella doesn't get along particularly easily with Rosalie (a Beta, who dislikes Bella, and obviously displays Aristocracy with her behavior.)

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    OK well those are pretty good arguments, and I can see it, so I'll think about that one. ILI I can see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    that's how the romance in the books is too. (i haven't seen the movies so i can't comment on them)


    i agree Bella is a Victim, but i think she's ILI. in the books it's clear she does not like dealing with Fe, when she uses it it's only because she feels she has to, and then it's rather mechanical and formulaic how she does it, imo. it's a "oh, i think they want me to smile now, so i'll do that so i don't look weird" kind of thing. she doesn't use Fe to naturally and consciously communicate how she's really feeling, or to manipulate other people's emotions like an IEI would. Edward (ESI) watches out for how she's feeling, and is able to do so even without Bella explicitly expressing emotion.

    also look at her relationships with various characters. with her father (SLI), she gets along very well with him, and both enjoy the fact that they do not have to be particularly expressive or emotionally demonstrative with each other. their communication is very straightforward and undramatic, and both people appreciate this. they live together at a relaxed, easy, undemanding pace (Irrationals, Ip temperaments.) also Bella becomes fast friends with people like Alice (SEE) and Jacob (SEE), who are both good at pushing Bella to do things, and if they don't succeed they keep on trying. Bella doesn't get along particularly easily with Rosalie (a Beta, who dislikes Bella, and obviously displays Aristocracy with her behavior.)
    The only hole in that reasoning is that Alice is not SEE, but ESE, meaning she'd conflict with Bella if Bella was ILI.
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    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

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    Ashton your such a douche.

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    Screeching Twilight fangirls are EIE followed by ESE. Gammas actually tend to criticize the book for being overemotional, but shallow.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

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    i've read each and every one of them with an average of 3,5 days when they first came out.in hindsight, i go in wtf mode everytime i think of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    The only hole in that reasoning is that Alice is not SEE, but ESE, meaning she'd conflict with Bella if Bella was ILI.
    The only hole in that reasoning is that you believe Alice is ESE.

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