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    This is an example. Please see if you can type this person.

    He is a boss of a company who does not want to give direct orders to his employees, mostly from fear of confrontation.

    When an employee said "I want to kill myself", he did absolutely nothing and said absolutely nothing.

    What type is he?

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    Alpha/Gamma.

    I'd guess ESFj.
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    LSE.

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    I dunno: any logical but SLE, ILI, LIE could make sense in my opinion
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    I don't think this is type-related.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    I don't think this is type-related.
    SLI ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    I don't think this is type-related.
    It absolutely is. It eliminates any Ethical type (did nothing when an employee threatened to kill himself), as well as any Rational type (not a control freak). My guess: ILI.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    It sounds like my old LIE boss. When someone had personal problems, he always asked me to talk to them about it because he couldn't handle it. I don't know if it was fear of confrontation or just not wanting to deal with people's problems though.

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    Se polr, LII maybe

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    That's not really much information to go on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowisthetime View Post
    Se polr, LII maybe
    Not PoLR, subdued and Alpha/Gamma at that. Delta/Beta use force as an (pre-emptive) offensive. Alpha/Gamma uses it in defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    This is an example. Please see if you can type this person.

    He is a boss of a company who does not want to give direct orders to his employees, mostly from fear of confrontation.

    When an employee said "I want to kill myself", he did absolutely nothing and said absolutely nothing.

    What type is he?
    logical.
    introverted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowisthetime View Post
    Se polr, LII maybe
    I can see how you come to that conclusion, weak and unvalued is not the best trait for confrontations. However, I personally (let's say I'm LII even if some might not agree) don't have any problems to give orders if I'm the one in charge, which means it's my job to do so. People who don't agree with my orders might confront me, but that's okay. If they tell me their arguments in a civilised way everythign is fine. I don't want to fuel conflict, but if something's not okay it's better to discuss it rather than ignoring it in order to avoid any quarrels. In the other situation I'd probably react exactly like he did: if someones really states "I want to kill myself." I might as well ignore it.
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    The insecure jerkish poor leader type
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    ...so he's you?
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Someone who Maritsa feels unfavorably about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    ...so he's you?
    I don't get it.
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    He doesn't seem to be an extravert and not an ethical type either; so must of you guys agree that this behavior is not associated with those two dichotomies. I was thinking Fe polr. He's probably not a "bad" person; I think the emotional expression form his employer surprised him and he didn't know how to respond emotionally. I take it that he himself is very emotional, but only when the time is right for him, or when the sensation is right for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    He doesn't seem to be an extravert and not an ethical type either; so must of you guys agree that this behavior is not associated with those two dichotomies. I was thinking Fe polr. He's probably not a "bad" person; I think the emotional expression form his employer surprised him and he didn't know how to respond emotionally. I take it that he himself is very emotional, but only when the time is right for him, or when the sensation is right for him.
    I think you could be right about Fe-PoLR. If my ILI had someone tell him they were going to kill themselves, he'd probably freeze, would have no idea what to say, would likely try to ignore it and hope that the person wasn't really serious, or that the problem would just magically go away somehow without him having to get involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    It absolutely is. It eliminates any Ethical type (did nothing when an employee threatened to kill himself), as well as any Rational type (not a control freak). My guess: ILI.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    SLI ?
    I guess there are many reasons why one will say or do absolutely nothing at such a situation. For example, the supervisor might not want to get into unnecessary trouble by getting involved in the problems of the employee, or the employee might be someone who is overly dramatic in general and is someone whom his colleagues cannot treat too seriously. As such, I can see why an Ethical type might not react to such a situation.

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    It could be both F-PoLR types doing this: Fi-PoLR doesn't want to get involved. Fe-PoLR doesn't want to handle the emotion. Or many other types might not understand, one type might feel like the person is overreacting and doesn't want to involve themselves in the negative situation, like an Fe-creative, or maybe thats just my imagination. Or what eunice said: people are "concerned" in a different way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    This is an example. Please see if you can type this person.

    He is a boss of a company who does not want to give direct orders to his employees, mostly from fear of confrontation.

    When an employee said "I want to kill myself", he did absolutely nothing and said absolutely nothing.

    What type is he?
    He's Michael Scott from The Office! Hahaha.

    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    I don't think this is type-related.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    That's not really much information to go on.
    Yeah, in response to both of you, that's why I'm not even throwing out a guess either. Could be several different types. I think, as others have pointed out also, it describes more a weak function, rather than a complete personality type in itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
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    Yes... but why wouldn't you despise someone who would allow their employee to kill themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
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    My thoughts exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    I think, as others have pointed out also, it describes more a weak function, rather than a complete personality type in itself.
    Precisely.

    Yes... but why wouldn't you despise someone who would allow their employee to kill themselves?
    Is the suicide threat real? Is the person a drama queen, known for this sort of ridiculous behavior? There are variables here that we know nothing of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Is the suicide threat real? Is the person a drama queen, known for this sort of ridiculous behavior? There are variables here that we know nothing of.
    Pretty much my thoughts.

    Anyway, all I know is that the boss sucks at dealing with the social realm. Took me a bit to come up with a good solution though.

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    His type is...Dick Rapeson. I win.
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    If someone said they wanted to kill themselves in a work environment, I wouldn't do anything either other than probably fire them for being emotionally unstable and probably not take them seriously. You don't bring that into work. I'm the same as this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    If someone said they wanted to kill themselves in a work environment, I wouldn't do anything either other than probably fire them for being emotionally unstable and probably not take them seriously. You don't bring that into work. I'm the same as this guy.
    Depending on the situation, yes, either this or if it could actually be serious I'd ask the person to come to my office, and then probably fire him/her.

    I forsee simply outright firing the person as possibly inducing bad relations with other employees. Same with ignoring.

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    Yes, fire the suicidal person. Then they probably won't kill themself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardia View Post
    Yes, fire the suicidal person. Then they probably won't kill themself...
    We're assuming this person is simply seeking attention.

    If the person is actually committed to killing him/herself, I can do little to intervene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KazeCraven View Post
    We're assuming this person is simply seeking attention.

    If the person is actually committed to killing him/herself, I can do little to intervene.
    Yeah. I'm not responsible for anyone other than myself. If they're going to do it, they're going to do it. Not many people would want a suicidal person working under them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KazeCraven View Post
    We're assuming this person is simply seeking attention.

    If the person is actually committed to killing him/herself, I can do little to intervene.
    Sometimes people need a little attention in order to not kill themselves. In fact, people often act out when they are hurting very badly inside and nobody seems to notice. Why is this being seen as a "drama queen" problem and not a genuine one? And even if the person is a "drama queen," s/he can still feel suicidal. I wouldn't want to take chances with somebody's life.

    Even if you can only do "little," it's worth it.

    Yeah, weak ethics at work here.

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    It's such a weak thing and such a burden to put on other people. If you want to do it so badly, here, have a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by April View Post
    Sometimes people need a little attention in order to not kill themselves. In fact, people often act out when they are hurting very badly inside and nobody seems to notice. Why is this being seen as a "drama queen" problem and not a genuine one? And even if the person is a "drama queen," s/he can still feel suicidal. I wouldn't want to take chances with somebody's life.

    Even if you can only do "little," it's worth it.

    Yeah, weak ethics at work here.
    I agree. I can actually pick up enough emotional cues to know when "let's talk about this in my office" would probably be appropriate or not.

    I feel I'm being very generous even doing that though. But if someone says "I want to kill myself" and doesn't have the tone of "this work sucks", then I suppose it'd be better in the long run if I just address the issue. If they're my employee, I suppose they're my problem whether I try to ignore it or not. But I certainly wouldn't tolerate a dramatic suicidal employee. If we can't handle the issue in my office, then they will have to be dismissed until they find help.

    And that "help" may simply be learning emotional restraint.

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    Kaze, you agree with her, because I have typed April SEE, and your dual...

    If she could find it in herself to not be so stubborn about her mistyping, she could be really happy in a dual relationship...perhaps with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Kaze, you agree with her, because I have typed April SEE, and your dual...

    If she could find it in herself to not be so stubborn about her mistyping, she could be really happy in a dual relationship...perhaps with you
    Well that's some interesting psychology. Even if you are right, I doubt you're convincing anyone when you put it that way.

    But I guess that wasn't really your concern to begin with, was it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KazeCraven View Post
    Well that's some interesting psychology. Even if you were right, I doubt you're convincing anyone when you put it that way.

    But I guess that wasn't really your concern to begin with, was it?
    No, it was a speckle of hope in this Fi dreamy imagination of mine of a pair so loving and happy joined together on this site...or anywhere...it was more a fantasy and sort of "gotta say what's on my mind" thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    This is an example. Please see if you can type this person.

    He is a boss of a company who does not want to give direct orders to his employees, mostly from fear of confrontation.

    When an employee said "I want to kill myself", he did absolutely nothing and said absolutely nothing.

    What type is he?
    Type: Not-A-Douche-bag.

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