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    Default Faces of Consensus - ISTj (Maxim Gorky)

    The following pictures depict the Eastern Consensus (75%-100% convergence) of the type ISTj. Full methodology, and additional data can be be found at the source:
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    Hafez al-Assad


    Semyon Budyonny


    Stanislav Govorukhin


    Maxim Gorky


    Alain Delon


    Yevgeny Kiselyov


    Nikita Mikhalkov


    Alexander Rutskoi


    Joseph Stalin


    Leonid Filatov


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    Quote Originally Posted by he died with a felafel View Post
    interesting, about Gorky being ISTj.
    He is the 'official' ISTj representative.
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    Stalin.

    Not sure if it's type related(would then be Benefit), but this guy really fascinated me ever since highschool. He just has this badassness type of aura.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    He is the 'official' ISTj representative.
    Which means very little, as leading Socionics experts are not historians and tend not to understand the backgrounds of the figures they're typing very well -- particularly in the case of Western exemplars (Eastern figures are more accurately typed).
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    1. You are typing historical persons and you're not a historian as well.
    2. Maxim Gorky is russian and much better know there in general.
    3. This was the opinion of several socionists which made him the paragon of this type.
    4. Otherwise, I agree. It doesn't necessarily mean he is ISTj, it just raises the chance a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    1. You are typing historical persons and you're not a historian as well.
    I am intimately acquainted with several historians, however.

    2. Maxim Gorky is russian and much better know there in general.
    Indeed. I actually somewhat suspect him to be ESI, but in general Russian exemplars tend to be typed properly.

    3. This was the opinion of several socionists which made him the paragon of this type.
    Socionicists, as academics in every field, are prone to circle-jerking so we can't really know for sure if consensus means following the leader. Consensus on Jefferson as LII for example seems to consist of the field leaders shrugging their shoulders because Filatova said he was.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    because Filatova said he was.
    Notice how there are many figures on the source who's type is not 100% convergence, and the alternative types are listed for all to see. No one is forcing a consensus; they all independently came up with the same conclusion (In the case of Jefferson it is 100% convergence ). And if anyone is "leading" socionists it surely isn't Filatova (Where did you come up with that?). If you are referring to socioniko, it's not her website, just her photographs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispy View Post
    The following pictures depict the Eastern Consensus (75%-100% convergence) of the type ISTj.
    "Eastern Consensus" is too loud title for Oleg Hrulrev's wannabe-etalon list made in ~2006 and based on speculative opinion of several typers. There is too much conformism amoung old-guard typers wich lists have match >50% while their non-informed match is only 15%. Plus that list have many people known only by biography and doubtful pictures.

    LSI is one of the most matching type. Situation with other types is worse.

    Hafez al-Assad, Semyon Budyonny - have no sure opinion
    Stanislav Govorukhin, Maxim Gorky, Alain Delon, Yevgeny Kiselyov, Nikita Mikhalkov, Alexander Rutskoi, Joseph Stalin, Leonid Filatov - agree
    Vasiliy Shukshin - ESTP

    other LSI who fond of moustaches:
    Saddam Hussein, Alexander Lukashenko, Dzhokhar Dudaev, Charles Bronson, Burt Reynolds, Yuriy Longo, Vladimir Bortko, Alexander Rosenbaum, Leonid Yakubovich, Nikolay Bandurin, Viktor Proskurin, etc. many of them
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    He is the 'official' ISTj representative.
    Augustnavichute's nicknames of types are widely used for convenience as many people know them, but this not makes them official representatives, - they are just Augustnavichute's opinion. Some her nicknames are found doubtful by significant number of typers, for example Napoleon as SEE, or doubtfull due to lack of actual information about ancient people; plus some typers do not think seriously about typing of characters, - Don Kihot, etc.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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