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    I've been thinking about the different motivations for why people might be attracted to money and wealth.

    Some ideas:

    Se-valuers are more likely to be attracted to wealth for power and status.

    Ne-valuers are attracted to the idea of being able to experience everything first-hand.

    Si-valuers want the comforts that money can afford.

    Ni-valuers are attracted to the idea of financial security.

    Te-valuers are likely to use their wealth to increase their knowledge and productivity (i.e. contributing to the technological development of society).

    Fe-valuers will use their wealth to host lavish parties and to give people a "good time."

    Ti-valuers...I don't know?

    Fi-valuers will use their money and/or status to establish connections with people who can help them achieve their own ideals. ETA: Fi-valuers seek for opportunities to have a positive influence on people.

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    All of the above.

    You might be on to something though. However, I bet it's not just about valued IEs, but about the super-id block, since those functions are areas that people value but aren't as adept at taking care of themselves, making them more likely to try to compensate with $$$. Then again, I'm sure people are especially attuned to how wealth will help them achieve the goals of their ego.

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    Looks interesting. Because money is such an 'universal' issue, I guess you're right if you claim that different types have different motivations to get it.

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    Ti-valuers...I don't know?
    lol... but honestly, I don't know either.

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    Fi-valuers will use their money and/or status to establish connections with people who can help them achieve their own ideals.
    Really? This strategy of making connections to 'important' people who have money and some authority always appeared to be very reprehensible to me, yeah, even dishonest. It would like not being chosen for a certain job (for example) because I'm the best, but rather because I know the guy who decides it and he owns me a favour. I'd rather go without these 'good relations' than feel like a liar.
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    I don't think it's consistent enough, it's too stereotypical.
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    cool idea, but idk. i relate to Ni and Si most here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    Really? This strategy of making connections to 'important' people who have money and some authority always appeared to be very reprehensible to me, yeah, even dishonest. It would like not being chosen for a certain job (for example) because I'm the best, but rather because I know the guy who decides it and he owns me a favour. I'd rather go without these 'good relations' than feel like a liar.
    I really wasn't sure how to describe the Fi-motivation succinctly...and, I could be wrong. But I guess what I was trying to get at would be something like the following entirely fictional example:

    Say Maria has a very strong moral conviction that it is wrong to wear any other color than blue on Mondays. She of course begins by making a point herself of only wearing blue on Mondays, and will hope that by her example, others may come to do the same.

    But, if no one picks up on her example, she might try other tactics...She will become more vocal, perhaps; or, if she feels uncomfortable herself in the role of spokesperson, might try to get someone else who believes as she does to be the speaker.

    It soon becomes all about making connections: the more people Maria knows, the more people she can talk to about her belief, the more those people are likely to talk to other people.

    Money can facilitate the process, by allowing her access to places where she thinks she might find like-minded individuals; helping her to set up a network, holding "conferences," whatever it takes to find herself some "converts."

    Obviously, wearing blue on Mondays is a non-sensicle example, but the above can be applied to anything moral or ethical.
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    One big reason for having money is simply so you can spend it. Just spend it on anything. It doesn't matter what you get as long as you buy something. I think SFs are the shopaholics of the socion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    I don't think it's consistent enough, it's too stereotypical.
    Probably. But maybe it would help to combine motivations based on type.

    For example, I am Ne, Fi, Si, and Te- valuing. So my motivation looks something like this:

    I want to travel to many places, to experience everything I can and to offer those same experiences to my children. I want to learn as much as I possibly can across various fields of study. I want to take the things I value-- such as family, God, a healthy lifestyle, altruism, self-sufficiency-- and help others to come to realize their importance in their own lives. I want to have just enough material possessions to be comfortable and efficient, but no more. What wealth I do not need, I want to share with those whom I feel will be responsible with it and further the causes I champion.
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    Financial security/miser = based, but enforced by . Hardly applies to IEIs.

    Also it doesn't account for fulfillment in the Super-Ego.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    Financial security/miser = based, but enforced by . Hardly applies to IEIs.
    Noted. I also took out my "miser" comment in the OP. It was probably wrong.

    What do you think Ni wants with their money, then, if not security? Maybe I will have to ask my ILI, too, when he gets home from work this evening...

    Also it doesn't account for fulfillment in the Super-Ego.
    Are we supposed to want fulfillment in the Super-Ego? idk I guess I don't understand this statement...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    Noted. I also took out my "miser" comment in the OP. It was probably wrong.

    What do you think Ni wants with their money, then, if not security? Maybe I will have to ask my ILI, too, when he gets home from work this evening...
    Beyond basic sustenance, I don't think has any need for it. Maybe to implement long held plans, but that still sounds like .


    Are we supposed to want fulfillment in the Super-Ego? idk I guess I don't understand this statement...
    Super-Ego fulfillment = Confidence as a member of society. Ni+Te is good and all, but I'd like to optimize/personalize aspects of .
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    Just had another thought: It seems that the irrational elements are more concerned with getting something with their money, whereas the rational elements want to do something with their money.
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    That's an awfully stereotyped list. A lot of what you describe seems more like a difference in personality than in anything socionics related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    What do you think Ni wants with their money, then, if not security? Maybe I will have to ask my ILI, too, when he gets home from work this evening...
    I want a decent meal, functional clothes, tools to accomplish my various ends, several books to read or reference at leisure, and the freedom to learn and tinker about as I see fit. Since my primary residence is my head and I don't have champagne tastes it's quite easy to live a simple life free from covetous avarice and ostentatious vanity. There are times when my rootless and ascetic inclination bites me in the ass but on the whole I'm glad not to be weighed down by the vitiation of material excess or keeping up with the Joneses.

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    That's an awfully stereotyped list. A lot of what you describe seems more like a difference in personality than in anything socionics related.
    Socionics purports to be scientific stereotyping. What do you expect?

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    If various types of descriptions were compared with various types of foods/snacks with an analogy, in order to determine how much intellectual sustenance they have......

    This would be


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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    Ti-valuers...I don't know?
    Ti valuers hoard money against possible future catastrophes

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    Fi-valuers will use their money and/or status to establish connections with people who can help them achieve their own ideals. ETA: Fi-valuers seek for opportunities to have a positive influence on people.


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    I want money so I can pay for my life (apartment, new computer every 3-5 years, internet connection) and order in dinner once in a while rather than having to walk to get it. Dunno how that fits in with your list...

    Overall I think that while the list may work in a broad sense, attempting to apply it as a solid test of people's types probably wouldn't work.

    And Fe-valuers want money to throw parties... seems a little shallow... ergh. Whatever.
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    For me, I want to make sure I'm financially "safe," to be able to provide for my family, and to make sure that we're able to live comfortably.

    They say money isn't important...but that's only true to a certain point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowisthetime View Post
    I think SFs are the shopaholics of the socion.
    Maybe Fe types? The greatest spenders I know are Fe, and above all it's the EIE .

    My father-in-law is SEI and he's really economical (some but not me would call him stingy).
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    Well the Ne, Si, and Fi ones fit me, but the Ni one does too. I don't want to have to worry about ever being poor.

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    I like Ne, Ni, Te.
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