Results 1 to 2 of 2

Thread: Identical relations--various authors (machine trans)

  1. #1
    2 EVIL I golden's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Several stories high
    TIM
    EIE prob 6
    Posts
    2,969
    Mentioned
    106 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Identical relations--various authors (machine trans)

    From http://www.socioforum.su/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=28734

    Identical relations

    ID Vaysband Working Paper on Socionics

    Two persons of the same type are very well aware of each other. Great for teacher-student relationship. Information is easily transferred from one to another. No one can learn quickly and to explain clearer than "tozhdik. However, once the knowledge they are aligned, they are not interested in each other, because anything new they can not communicate with each other. Both are equally informed. At the same stimuli - one and the same reaction. Both strong and weak, both in the same areas, so that they can not expect support from each other by their weak features, and so is unlikely especially need each other. Even talk with each other it is not interesting: what a thought - said another. If they were alone in a secluded spot, you might even have forgotten how to talk. The fact that one is understandable - clearly and differently. What is not clear - neither knows the other. No additions. In marriage - badly. In marriage, well, just if you want to dedicate my life to the common cause, like Pierre and Marie Curie.

    OB Slinko "The key to my heart - Socionics"

    Identical partners alike perceive the world and act in it similar ways. This does not mean that they are all the same and always agree with each other. But the partner seems painfully obvious, visible to his weaknesses and problems, because you are suffering from the same problems. The most characteristic feeling which arises in relation to the identity - of sympathy. Unfortunately, the help it you can not, because they themselves are not strong in related matters. Identity all forgive, justify all his actions, as their own. At times, however, with such a partner is boring and uninteresting: to those conclusions, which he outlines, you can easily come in and independently. The situation changed dramatically for the better, when one partner in an identical pair excels in experience and development: a parent and child, teacher and student, leader and young workers. In this case the "transfer of information" goes through the direct channels and the difference in the level of knowledge quickly equalized. Identity - the best student and best teacher. That's why invaluable is the fact that, in harmony, the dual family child usually has a type identical to one parent.

    RK Graying "Information psychoanalysis"

    This structure of interaction leads to an interesting effect that seen for the first time the creator of Socionics. Mask that fits every person living in society, for its tozhdika almost transparent. This effect has both positive and negative sides. A thorough understanding of the partner can very quickly and efficiently learn from him. On the other hand, it is difficult to communicate with a partner who sees right through you. This is particularly hampered nedualizirovannym. They have many problems and little desire to show them. Particularly difficult situation when partners in addition has to compete with each other. Their internal squabbles at risk of a conflict become apparent to everyone. Very fortunate that a child who has one parent tozhdik, and the second - the full complement. Children from such families on health and the rate of development far ahead of their peers. Thus, the identity of IW is most suitable for the relations parent - child, teacher - student, as well as for the relationship dating average degree of intimacy. Where the second of these relationships quickly moves into the third, as a student teacher is catching up by leaps and bounds. Friendship in this interaction is unstable, because to help tozhdiku, we must "pull" from itself. High-speed training also has its disadvantages. Young tozhdik often acted as a teacher nisprovergatelya authority. This is the reason for human progress and, simultaneously, many personal tragedies, comprehend, however, only those who are still living in picking a place for the monument to its own merits. A person who has many students and, moreover, do not shun their opinion, has the chance to move ahead faster than anyone else.

    Lyme Stankevichyute "Intertype relationship"

    First love is most often a complementary or its type. Two persons of the same type are very well aware of each other, their behavior and activities are similar to the last detail, even they say the same phrases, the same words and sentences. They are clear to each other, are able to appreciate what others are doing. Cooperation usually they succeed, but to live in marriage to them is difficult. First of all, because what is clear - it is clear to both, but that it is unclear where the lack of information - do not have both. In addition, through close communication instructions and wishes seem to be offensive and ill-timed. Most often its own type of even gets a partner in the most insecure place - strikes at the third function.

    Families consisting of two identical types, often breaking down.

    AV Boukalov, G. Boiko, "Why Saddam Xuseyn wrong, or what is Socionics"

    These relationships are interesting because they looked at another person as if you see myself from outside. For people who know Socionics, in these relationships is particularly visible stereotypes of behavior, motivation of the people, which helps to adjust and their own behavior. Seen as protective mechanisms of the psyche - a kind of mask worn by a man, and he sees only found it on the face of another. These relationships are best when transferring experience, for example, during the study, because a student understands the teacher and the teacher can see student requests. This is especially noticeable when matching subtypes. Different subtypes slightly worse understand each other: sensory "Dumas," it seems that ethical too active and too much outraged, "emotional space"; intuitive "Don Quixote" logic seems to be more cautious, even limited, closed in the narrow issues. Tozhdiki look at the world with the same eyes, so after the transfer of expertise they have nothing more to say to each other, they mutually cools. An exception may be the case when they face a common goal (Karl Marx and Zhenya - Intuitive-logical extravert, VI Lenin and Krupskaya - sensory-logical extravert).

    VV Gulenko "Tests of reciprocity"

    Monotonous debate

    Community efficiently only with different knowledge and experience. In this case, ties up an interesting discussion. In case of equality of intellectual levels of discussion is long and get bored. Not without pleasure, trying to break the monotony of relationships, encouraging the partner to unnatural acts to his temperament. Although there is understanding, but no real interest in each other. If you do not disturb the balance is artificial, not to avoid discrepancies with the subsequent conflict of interest.
    Binary attributes intertype relationships

    Partners intuitively understand the motives of each other and oppose any attempts to normalize their behavior, to subordinate their freedom even if true, but the restrictions. Identical pair of extremely democratic, violating any of the framework and tradition.

    His cold quickly demonstrate the identical nature of the relationship. Identical types easily calculate the logic of each other's behavior and thus rapidly losing mutual interest. In their tendency to intellectualization - importance of cognitive interests.

    In an identical pair of partners combine similar views on life, aimed at one side of the motivations similar hobbies. Plans that build their own identity partners, colorful and promising, but have little chance to implement, as planned.

    Identical relations fairly quickly get bored with the similarity of temperaments and understandable way of life and thoughts of a partner. Basic human passions rarely change over a lifetime. And if such changes occur, then their meaning and the reasons again easily understood. Dispel dull monotony eventually becomes harder and harder.

    Convergence of work and the identity of partners. They are so alike in their preferences, and joining in the evolutionary pair likened to each other even more. Similarities between identical initially attracted. They strive to achieve even greater understanding and pursuit of this process will eventually lose result. Their socionic signs are summarized, and the contribution of each becomes indistinguishable.

    VV Gulenko, AV Gars "Introduction to socionics"

    Between identical partners are the relations fully understand, but the inability to help each other. Identical personality types the same eyes looking at the world, likewise comprehends the incoming information, make almost the same findings as well face the same problems. Seeing this, everyone there is empathy for others. Partner wants to support and justify in any way, since you feel that in this situation he would have done well. On the other hand, the identical communication to quickly get bored. Not receiving new information from a partner, you can see the whole futility of such communication. Uninformative partner seems boring, uninteresting. Over time, established either neutral or cool relations. This is not surprising, because after the exchange of information, it is interesting to discuss, knowing in advance that the same conclusions can be reached, and myself. The exception is a big difference in experience or knowledge. Then it may be of great interest and attraction to each other, as is the rapid and effective learning - transfer of information. Such relationships are ideal for couples, "the teacher-student." Collaboration in this case also effective because it is the addition of forces in one direction. It should be said about the influence of subtypes of these relationships. When matching subtypes communication is much more pleasant and easy. When distinct subtypes partners look at each other with some mistrust. It seems that this man was too zealous, too far. Identical relations have great educational value, because they can look at myself objectively assess their strengths and weaknesses. A look at ourselves - it is not always pleasant. Even your own voice, recorded on tape and then listen, does not seem so much worse than he could imagine. These relationships help to develop adequate (correct) self-esteem.

    Gulenko

    Between identical partners are the relations fully understand, but the inability to help each other. Identical personality types the same eyes looking at the world, likewise comprehends the incoming information, make almost the same findings as well face the same problems. Seeing this, everyone there is empathy for others. Partner wants to support and justify in any way, since you feel that in this situation he would have done well. On the other hand, the identical communication to quickly get bored. Not receiving new information from a partner, you can see the whole futility of such communication. Uninformative partner seems boring, uninteresting. Over time, established either neutral or cool relations. This is not surprising, because after the exchange of information, it is interesting to discuss, knowing in advance that the same conclusions can be reached, and myself.

    The exception is a big difference in experience or knowledge. Then it may be of great interest and attraction to each other, as is the rapid and effective learning - transfer of information. Such relationships are ideal for couples, "the teacher-student." Collaboration in this case also effective because it is the addition of forces in one direction. It should be said about the influence of subtypes of these relationships. When matching subtypes communication is much more pleasant and easy. When distinct subtypes partners look at each other with some mistrust. It seems that this man was too zealous, too far. Identical relations have great educational value, because they can look at myself objectively assess their strengths and weaknesses. A look at ourselves, this is not always pleasant. Even your own voice, recorded on tape and then listen, does not seem so much worse than he could imagine. These otosheniya help develop adequate (correct) self-esteem.
    Valentine Meged, Anatoly Ovcharov

    This relationship is largely similar people who are very well aware of each other. Built on trust and empathy, they are good for friendship, but the marriage can be difficult because of the inability to help each other in solving problems. Partners difficult to properly assess the activity of another, as they have equally developed both the strengths and weaknesses. These relationships are active in the presence of joint cases where there is something to learn from more experienced partner. With a lack of new information from the other, relationships can quickly exhaust yourself. Understanding and ease in communicating smooth misunderstandings. Partners condescendingly refer to the same disadvantages of each other, and in some cases they are able to critically look not so much on each other, but on ourselves from the outside.

    Wikipedia

    In the identity relationship partners similarly perceive and interpret information, have the same strengths and weaknesses, common values, often - share common interests. From the perspective of the Model A all functions socionic partners coincide. In the identity relationship is quick and efficient exchange of information, so that identical relations are most conducive to learning.

    Ekaterina Filatova Art to understand themselves and others "

    Here the partners are people of the same type of socionic. These information channels are a function of mutually identical. The information is therefore easily transmitted from one partner to another.

    Such relations are extremely productive in contact teacher - pupil: no one can learn quickly and to explain clearer than "tozhdik. However, as soon as their skills are aligned, they are not interested in each other, because nothing new has been able to communicate with each other. At the same stimuli they have the same reaction. Both strong and weak, both in the same areas, so that they can not expect support from each other in their weak features. It also happens that even talk with each other about what they do not: that he thought one - voicing another.

    If a couple - dual-wielding, and the child inherits the type of one parent, he finds himself in an extremely favorable conditions for its development. Just as there can be no better teacher than "tozhdik, there can be no better teacher than dual: from Douala always felt support, dual loves anything without asking, just -" but what you have. " Unfortunately, education in many families by only one parent. In this case, if it is identical with psycho psycho his child, he is well trained, but did not give the child a sense of security, the child does not feel the support of its weak functions, he has become self-sufficient, and he grows cold, with a rigid structural attitudes, with exaggerated desire for prestige both at work and at home. If, however, brings up only one dual - a child with a child feels supported, accustomed to be loved "for this", but is poorly adapted to difficult life situations, because he has no habits at least to some degree, compensate for its weak functions, since the burden took over his father-dual.

    For many children primary school age compatible with a single teacher who teaches them in all subjects in primary grades, may be decisive for many subsequent years of study. If the student is identical to the teacher - he is very well aware of everything the teacher says, a good student and, of course, goes to an excellent student. The same children whose socionic type is not consistent with the type of teachers, study hard. Such children are usually behind in their studies, it can develop and strengthen the uncertainty in the forces.

    Intuitive difficult - neither one nor the other does not seem interested in is too prosaic, but alas, a necessary domestic affairs, it is much more interesting to discuss together some exciting challenges. The relationship of this kind are more likely to be productive at work, especially if everyone is interested in another area of expertise. For example, two representatives of psycho Dostoevsky can sufficiently enrich each other's expertise in related fields, humanities, if one of them, assume a psychologist, and another - a doctor. Just to be approached individually and the other couples' tozhdikov "- much depends on their level of development, range of interests, areas of activity.

    Eugene Gorenko, Vladimir Tolstikov, "Nature's own self"

    Provide the best understanding, as the strong features are the same. Through this partner act and think in many ways a very similar way. The disadvantage of relations is that the behavior of another is not an element of surprise. In addition, it remains a number of vital issues that do not find their permission because of the fact that both partners are strong one and the same quality, while the opposite is not represented at all.

  2. #2
    dattebayo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    380
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    thanks for posting these. they have been very helpful
    n00bIEE

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •