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    Fi PoLR, amirite?

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    Mentally deranged in a way not necessarily type-related, but to the extent psychosis/violence are typable they'd probably be SLE-Se > everything else.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    anti social personality disorder : SLI / SLE

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    I have encountered/had close contact with 3 people whom I believe to be sociopaths, and all 3 are EIE-Ni, luls.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I thought you considered yourself as 5 different people
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    each type has it's own proclivities towards violence.

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    those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often

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    psychopaths - advanced form of antisocial/sociopathy, the terminology isn't so important, its how the illness progresses from normal to antisocial to sociopathy to psychopathy. While people have these precise scholarly terms for each stage in reality the model is much more fluid.

    rapists - different motives depending on the rapist, usually the idea of dominating the victim feeds the libido more than the actual sex.

    molesters - similar to rapists

    criminals - they break the law (imo not necessarily in the same category as psychopaths, rapists, and molesters... these people usually lack empathy for their victims, if the law is made by sociopaths <hypothetically> then being a criminal necessarily doesn't imply a lack of empathy)

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    Trying to explain complex psychological problems like these using socionics is a big mistake. Honestly, the less mentally healthy people get, the more socionics starts to break down and become irrelevant.

    HLD, I wouldn't say criminals necessarily lack empathy for their victims. People have a lot of conflicting internal drives, and even when one of them overwhelms empathy, I don't think empathy disappears altogether. Almost everyone is selfish and empathetic; things aren't so black and white. Plus, there are victimless crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limNol View Post
    HLD, I wouldn't say criminals necessarily lack empathy for their victims. People have a lot of conflicting internal drives, and even when one of them overwhelms empathy, I don't think empathy disappears altogether. Almost everyone is selfish and empathetic; things aren't so black and white. Plus, there are victimless crimes.
    re-read what I wrote, I think you misunderstood.

    I am saying

    psychopaths, rapists, and molesters -- lack of empathy in varying levels

    criminals -- not necessarily a lack of empathy

    you are leading in saying "I wouldn't say criminals necessarily lack empathy..."

    lol THATS WHAT I SAID! go re-read it

    being very direct all that criminal means more or less is a one who commits a criminal offense, criminal being opposed to civil. Civil being citizen against citizen or a government body versus a government body (state vs state).... criminal being a citizen versus a government body (person vs state). Saying all criminals lack empathy, has the implicit assumption that anything against the government's agenda requires a lack of empathy. This of course is ridiculous, like you said there are victimless crimes, further it assumes the state always has policy formed to reinforce empathy, this is clearly not the case, just consider the nazis, a very clear example where empathy and government policy do not coincide.

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    Se PoLR making the quiet patient one explode on someone, amirite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divided View Post
    Se PoLR making the quiet patient one explode on someone, amirite?
    The murder weapon was kindness.
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    Ethical type = crimes of passion, amirite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    re-read what I wrote, I think you misunderstood.

    I am saying

    psychopaths, rapists, and molesters -- lack of empathy in varying levels

    criminals -- not necessarily a lack of empathy

    you are leading in saying "I wouldn't say criminals necessarily lack empathy..."

    lol THATS WHAT I SAID! go re-read it

    being very direct all that criminal means more or less is a one who commits a criminal offense, criminal being opposed to civil. Civil being citizen against citizen or a government body versus a government body (state vs state).... criminal being a citizen versus a government body (person vs state). Saying all criminals lack empathy, has the implicit assumption that anything against the government's agenda requires a lack of empathy. This of course is ridiculous, like you said there are victimless crimes, further it assumes the state always has policy formed to reinforce empathy, this is clearly not the case, just consider the nazis, a very clear example where empathy and government policy do not coincide.

    lol gotcha -- when you said "these people usually lack empathy for their victims," I thought you were talking about criminals.

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