How long can you guys last

[Computer Loser]

And feel fine,

without stimulation to your dual-seeking function?

[Words]

I think it depends on where you are in life, so maybe you could make the question a bit more.....consise?

But to answer the question, maybe almost as long as I've lived.

[Computer Loser]

I think it depends on where you are in life, so maybe you could make the question a bit more.....consise?

Oh, sorry if the question wasn't clear. I guess I was referring to the present moment.

But to answer the question, maybe almost as long as I've lived.

What's your dual-seeking? You're saying that you feel perfectly fine without it?

[Simon Ssmall]

And feel fine,

without stimulation to your dual-seeking function?

Indefinately I would assume. I dont contiuosly feel a need for a specific function, knowing that I meet enough people maybe I never feel the lack of it? Friends, new people etc. so maybe I just dont know what it feels.

[Words]

Oh, sorry if the question wasn't clear. I guess I was referring to the present moment.



What's your dual-seeking? You're saying that you feel perfectly fine without it?

It's cool. I'll be 35,000 next month, feels in some ways like a long time but no time. Well I think DS matters more when I'm in a rut, so can't last too long feeling good in that situation.

Eh... I'll try n answer better later if I can. Cheers Peteron

[Brilliand]

I couldn't go very long (months perhaps?) without a success in my DS, but I could probably get by on my own ability, provided other factors in my life stay easy to handle.

[Creepy-male]

Indefinitely. It's only there while it's there, and isn't when it's not. That's pretty much it.

I like ILEs using my super-id for me, it's always a pleasure, but I don't really miss it when it's not there.

Only not really. If you're being heavily dualised or however you want to call it it's a huge shock not having your dual around on tap, so to speak.

[squark]

And feel fine,

without stimulation to your dual-seeking function?

Depends on what you mean by "fine." If that just means: okay, not horrible, tolerable, reasonably content; then I can do fine for however long I need to.
I'm fine right now. Possibly even happy.

I think there are times when it really hits you that you don't have much DS, and you know there's something that's missing. Adjusting is much harder at vulnerable times. When we're going through something rough, we notice the absence a lot more. But we cope.

[Computer Loser]

Thanks for the responses everyone.

I dunno...To me its really obvious when I'm not getting any (sounds kinda dirty).

I think there are times when it really hits you that you don't have much DS, and you know there's something that's missing. Adjusting is much harder at vulnerable times. When we're going through something rough, we notice the absence a lot more. But we cope.

I guess its a vulnerable time for me. I constantly feel like I don't exist to some people. And when I do stuff, its hardly noticeable to anyone.

I wish I had some Fe-pillz that I could take, because lately its been feeling as cold as Michigan's weather.



Whatevs...Complaining doesn't do anything.

[jessica129]

I guess its a vulnerable time for me. I constantly feel like I don't exist to some people. And when I do stuff, its hardly noticeable to anyone.

I feel like this all the time

[pianosinger]

Well, with Si DS...how long could I really go completely ignoring what my body is telling me? I mean, what would I have to do-- wear a diaper? Plus, I have a really hard time ignoring hunger, too...Not having a gallbladder anymore and having all that excess bile churning around in my gut...yeah, doesn't feel good at all. No, I can't easily neglect my DS function for more than a few hours. But at the same time, I think I would get annoyed if anyone else besides me (and maybe my husband) was trying to get me to pay more attention to my body than I already do. So, maybe I just don't really care for external stimulation of my DS function...Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding Si still. Actually, no, I think it would be amazing if I had someone else around to create a relaxing atmosphere for me, as I do get tired of having to do it all myself. So I do keep my physical needs minimal, because for the most part there's no one else around to take care of me for me, which means I have to do it for myself.

Big wall of text, prolly no one read that, and it's prolly just as well :redface:

[silverchris9]

Shrug. Depends on what being without my dual seeking function means.

Generally if I spend too much time in inactive contemplation, the quality of my contemplation goes down severely. And generally if I spend a lot of time in external activity, I can return to my inactive contemplation and it is unusually fertile, and I can coast on that for about a week before I need a shot of life again.

But I can proceed indefinitely without someone telling me what to do. On the other hand, when someone tells me to do something it makes it far more likely that I'll do it. I like to compare Se-DS to inertia. It only takes a little push to get us going and well go forever ("an object in motion tends to stay in motion"), but if we never get the push, we'll never move ("an object at rest tends to stay at rest.") And at rest, we only perform those actions to which we are naturally attracted without any external force (Se-DS = difficult to "force yourself" to do something. Not lacking in willpower; I have plenty of willpower. It's just more-than-average-ly difficult to get myself to start any given action or restart once I've stopped. I'm pretty good at making myself do things, but it's not fun or comfortable to do so.) Without any external force, I am good at sitting, sleeping, playing the piano, singing, and occasionally watching movies. Sometimes writing poetry, but only as the mood strikes me. So I can last without my dual seeking function until I get bored of those things.

Of course, if I have a reason to go do something, I don't need an Se-ego to get me to do it. Like if I have a deadline on a project or an assignment that's due or something like that. But I call that my artificial Se: being busy keeps me from being inactive.

[golden]

Thanks for the responses everyone.

I dunno...To me its really obvious when I'm not getting any (sounds kinda dirty).



I guess its a vulnerable time for me. I constantly feel like I don't exist to some people. And when I do stuff, its hardly noticeable to anyone.

I wish I had some Fe-pillz that I could take, because lately its been feeling as cold as Michigan's weather.



Whatevs...Complaining doesn't do anything.

Awwwww. No, complain to your heart's content.

Let's sing some stupid songs!

Turn up the heat and dance around!

Have a contest for who can make the dumbest face!

Wear the ugliest hat!

Eat the MOST pizza!

[Words]

You could try reading books by ENFj authors.

[EyeSeeCold]

And feel fine,

without stimulation to your dual-seeking function?

Title: How long can you guys last...
Body: And feel fine, without stimulation...
Author: Peteronfireee

Come on, tell me someone noticed that.

[Creepy-male]

Saltpeter?

[Park]

Without Viagra, about 20 minutes.

[silverchris9]

Title: How long can you guys last...
Body: And feel fine, without stimulation...
Author: Peteronfireee

Come on, tell me someone noticed that.

So it's a dick joke, right?

[Park]

So it's a dick joke, right?

How long can YOU last, Chris?

[silverchris9]

How long can YOU last, Chris?

Not sure. I could tell you how long I jacked off for the last time (and even then, there's a lot of pace changing), but beyond that I can't provide you with much in the way of specifics. So...

Longer than YOU.

[FDG]

You mean how much I would last working almost non-stop with zero human contact/relationships? My record is one week.

[Computer Loser]

You mean how much I would last working almost non-stop with zero human contact/relationships? My record is one week.

You've isolated yourself for one week? That's crazy. Reminds me of the Shining movie. I wonder what happens in terms of the functions when someone is in total isolation...

Indefinately I would assume. I dont contiuosly feel a need for a specific function, knowing that I meet enough people maybe I never feel the lack of it? Friends, new people etc. so maybe I just dont know what it feels.

yeah true, i guess we don't really notice because as long as we do some interaction, we'll gets bits and pieces of what we subconsciously need.

Awwwww. No, complain to your heart's content.

Let's sing some stupid songs!

Turn up the heat and dance around!

Have a contest for who can make the dumbest face!

Wear the ugliest hat!

Eat the MOST pizza!

hahaha I can definitely eat the most pizza!

Title: How long can you guys last...
Body: And feel fine, without stimulation...
Author: Peteronfireee

Come on, tell me someone noticed that.

You could try reading books by ENFj authors.

Actually, I totally forgot about this.

The Notebook movie came on a couple days ago on TV. Sitting there, watching it alone in my room, I secretly enjoyed every second of it.

I feel like a sick bastard.

[Morcheeba]

The Notebook movie came on a couple days ago on TV. Sitting there, watching it alone in my room, I secretly enjoyed every second of it.

I feel like a sick bastard.

Ughh... that was written by an ENFj? I can't get into romantic novels, movies, or romantic comedies at all, seems more like to me.

[Computer Loser]

Ughh... that was written by an ENFj? I can't get into romantic novels, movies, or romantic comedies at all, seems more like to me.

no clue if it was written by an enfj. but the overall presentation of the movie seemed grand and exaggerated

[Simon Ssmall]

Ughh... that was written by an ENFj? I can't get into romantic novels, movies, or romantic comedies at all, seems more like to me.

Please dont put things you dont like into elements you dont value. Notebook as far as I know is Delta though but I dont like the movie at all.

[glam]

The Notebook movie came on a couple days ago on TV. Sitting there, watching it alone in my room, I secretly enjoyed every second of it.

I feel like a sick bastard.

i think that movie is an example of EIE (Allie) and LSI (Noah) duality, so no worries!

[FDG]

You've isolated yourself for one week? That's crazy. Reminds me of the Shining movie. I wonder what happens in terms of the functions when someone is in total isolation...

It wasn't purposeful, really. I was at home alone for one week and had a lot of work to do.

[jessica129]

Noah as LSI? I haven't really given it much thought but my god that movie is great.

[Park]

You mean how much I would last working almost non-stop with zero human contact/relationships? My record is one week.

I have done that. I can probably function like that for about a month or so. Most people would become nervous by prolonged absence of human interaction, but I can function alone comfortably as long as there is something to keep me busy and mentally active.

[Creepy-male]

You've isolated yourself for one week? That's crazy. Reminds me of the Shining movie. I wonder what happens in terms of the functions when someone is in total isolation...

Seems like the natural M.O. of IPs, I think? I tend to get an energy-safe social fix by interacting with people online. I think I only really "need" people when I'm on a high and feel bored by everything.

I generally prefer to be alone IRL.

Record for no real human contact was five months. I could probably do it again, but I'd need to remember to keep myself mentally stimulated.

[jessica129]

5 months? How is that possible? You didn't have a job? Living in a cave and killing wild animals for food? One day without contact and I get depressed.

[Creepy-male]

Living with my mum and her mum in between highschool and uni. I only ever left my room to shower and get food.

[jessica129]

Okay so you still had human contact though.

[Creepy-male]

Okay so you still had human contact though.

< 30 seconds a day doesn't count, lol.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

The Notebook movie came on a couple days ago on TV. Sitting there, watching it alone in my room, I secretly enjoyed every second of it.

I feel like a sick bastard.

There's a reason for that.

[Morcheeba]

Please dont put things you dont like into elements you dont value. Notebook as far as I know is Delta though but I dont like the movie at all.

I'll try to remember that the next time I make a comment for the preservation of your happiness and satisfaction, lol.

[The Ineffable]

I'd say indefinitely. One doesn't need *simulation* on this function, but someone else to take care of it without being bothering. Talking about the Super-Id, stimulation is sometimes required by the other function, the Mobilizing one (HA), but not DS.

[WVBRY]

As long as it takes to get it I suppose, thought I also assume if you dont have it you sort of seek it out. It seems that Te makes me really how much I crave Ti, I guess because of the contrast.

[Beautiful sky]

Depends on what you mean by "fine." If that just means: okay, not horrible, tolerable, reasonably content; then I can do fine for however long I need to.
I'm fine right now. Possibly even happy.

I think there are times when it really hits you that you don't have much DS, and you know there's something that's missing. Adjusting is much harder at vulnerable times. When we're going through something rough, we notice the absence a lot more. But we cope.

This is an example of Ti...take the term "fine" and understand what it is and then find external examples to match or compare to categorize.

[Beautiful sky]

It's emotionally hard for me to be away from my dual for a long period of time without keeping myself busy and preoccupied with things where I'm not paying attention to that aspect of my feelings. I believe that this is also true for my duals, who mostly stay busy to ignore their feelings (either Fi or Fe); I think loneliness is a terrible feeling. I keep myself happy and satisfied by doing Fi, harboring relationships and keeping my relations close and comfortable. By participating in family and friendship time. This is Fi and I hope that my dual also wants to do Fi when they feel lonely. Sometimes though, my duals can be anti-social, not feeling like they want to be around people and will not want to go out to certain places or see certain things. I like to think that my gentle approach to convincing them to do the things that their Fe (their feelings) are telling them not to, will actually help them participate in Fi...and, it often does.