And feel fine,
without stimulation to your dual-seeking function?
And feel fine,
without stimulation to your dual-seeking function?
I think it depends on where you are in life, so maybe you could make the question a bit more.....consise?
But to answer the question, maybe almost as long as I've lived.
Oh, sorry if the question wasn't clear. I guess I was referring to the present moment.I think it depends on where you are in life, so maybe you could make the question a bit more.....consise?
What's your dual-seeking? You're saying that you feel perfectly fine without it?But to answer the question, maybe almost as long as I've lived.
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I couldn't go very long (months perhaps?) without a success in my DS, but I could probably get by on my own ability, provided other factors in my life stay easy to handle.
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Indefinitely. It's only there while it's there, and isn't when it's not. That's pretty much it.
I like ILEs using my super-id for me, it's always a pleasure, but I don't really miss it when it's not there.
Only not really. If you're being heavily dualised or however you want to call it it's a huge shock not having your dual around on tap, so to speak.
Depends on what you mean by "fine." If that just means: okay, not horrible, tolerable, reasonably content; then I can do fine for however long I need to.
I'm fine right now. Possibly even happy.
I think there are times when it really hits you that you don't have much DS, and you know there's something that's missing. Adjusting is much harder at vulnerable times. When we're going through something rough, we notice the absence a lot more. But we cope.
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I dunno...To me its really obvious when I'm not getting any (sounds kinda dirty).
I guess its a vulnerable time for me. I constantly feel like I don't exist to some people. And when I do stuff, its hardly noticeable to anyone.I think there are times when it really hits you that you don't have much DS, and you know there's something that's missing. Adjusting is much harder at vulnerable times. When we're going through something rough, we notice the absence a lot more. But we cope.
I wish I had some Fe-pillz that I could take, because lately its been feeling as cold as Michigan's weather.
Whatevs...Complaining doesn't do anything.
Well, with Si DS...how long could I really go completely ignoring what my body is telling me? I mean, what would I have to do-- wear a diaper? Plus, I have a really hard time ignoring hunger, too...Not having a gallbladder anymore and having all that excess bile churning around in my gut...yeah, doesn't feel good at all. No, I can't easily neglect my DS function for more than a few hours. But at the same time, I think I would get annoyed if anyone else besides me (and maybe my husband) was trying to get me to pay more attention to my body than I already do. So, maybe I just don't really care for external stimulation of my DS function...Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding Si still. Actually, no, I think it would be amazing if I had someone else around to create a relaxing atmosphere for me, as I do get tired of having to do it all myself. So I do keep my physical needs minimal, because for the most part there's no one else around to take care of me for me, which means I have to do it for myself.
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Shrug. Depends on what being without my dual seeking function means.
Generally if I spend too much time in inactive contemplation, the quality of my contemplation goes down severely. And generally if I spend a lot of time in external activity, I can return to my inactive contemplation and it is unusually fertile, and I can coast on that for about a week before I need a shot of life again.
But I can proceed indefinitely without someone telling me what to do. On the other hand, when someone tells me to do something it makes it far more likely that I'll do it. I like to compare Se-DS to inertia. It only takes a little push to get us going and well go forever ("an object in motion tends to stay in motion"), but if we never get the push, we'll never move ("an object at rest tends to stay at rest.") And at rest, we only perform those actions to which we are naturally attracted without any external force (Se-DS = difficult to "force yourself" to do something. Not lacking in willpower; I have plenty of willpower. It's just more-than-average-ly difficult to get myself to start any given action or restart once I've stopped. I'm pretty good at making myself do things, but it's not fun or comfortable to do so.) Without any external force, I am good at sitting, sleeping, playing the piano, singing, and occasionally watching movies. Sometimes writing poetry, but only as the mood strikes me. So I can last without my dual seeking function until I get bored of those things.
Of course, if I have a reason to go do something, I don't need an Se-ego to get me to do it. Like if I have a deadline on a project or an assignment that's due or something like that. But I call that my artificial Se: being busy keeps me from being inactive.
Not a rule, just a trend.
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Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
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I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
You mean how much I would last working almost non-stop with zero human contact/relationships? My record is one week.
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You've isolated yourself for one week? That's crazy. Reminds me of the Shining movie. I wonder what happens in terms of the functions when someone is in total isolation...
yeah true, i guess we don't really notice because as long as we do some interaction, we'll gets bits and pieces of what we subconsciously need.
hahaha I can definitely eat the most pizza!
Actually, I totally forgot about this.
The Notebook movie came on a couple days ago on TV. Sitting there, watching it alone in my room, I secretly enjoyed every second of it.
I feel like a sick bastard.
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Ughh... that was written by an ENFj? I can't get into romantic novels, movies, or romantic comedies at all, seems more like to me.The Notebook movie came on a couple days ago on TV. Sitting there, watching it alone in my room, I secretly enjoyed every second of it.
I feel like a sick bastard.
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Noah as LSI? I haven't really given it much thought but my god that movie is great.
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Originally Posted by Gilly
Seems like the natural M.O. of IPs, I think? I tend to get an energy-safe social fix by interacting with people online. I think I only really "need" people when I'm on a high and feel bored by everything.
I generally prefer to be alone IRL.
Record for no real human contact was five months. I could probably do it again, but I'd need to remember to keep myself mentally stimulated.
5 months? How is that possible? You didn't have a job? Living in a cave and killing wild animals for food? One day without contact and I get depressed.
Living with my mum and her mum in between highschool and uni. I only ever left my room to shower and get food.
Okay so you still had human contact though.
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I'd say indefinitely. One doesn't need *simulation* on this function, but someone else to take care of it without being bothering. Talking about the Super-Id, stimulation is sometimes required by the other function, the Mobilizing one (HA), but not DS.
As long as it takes to get it I suppose, thought I also assume if you dont have it you sort of seek it out. It seems that Te makes me really how much I crave Ti, I guess because of the contrast.
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Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
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It's emotionally hard for me to be away from my dual for a long period of time without keeping myself busy and preoccupied with things where I'm not paying attention to that aspect of my feelings. I believe that this is also true for my duals, who mostly stay busy to ignore their feelings (either Fi or Fe); I think loneliness is a terrible feeling. I keep myself happy and satisfied by doing Fi, harboring relationships and keeping my relations close and comfortable. By participating in family and friendship time. This is Fi and I hope that my dual also wants to do Fi when they feel lonely. Sometimes though, my duals can be anti-social, not feeling like they want to be around people and will not want to go out to certain places or see certain things. I like to think that my gentle approach to convincing them to do the things that their Fe (their feelings) are telling them not to, will actually help them participate in Fi...and, it often does.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html