You mean which one do I like better?
It depends what mood I'm in. Alphas are silly, Gammas are serious. Alpha introverts are easier to understand, Gamma extroverts are easier to understand. I enjoy the company of Alphas a lot, but there's infinitely more Alphas living with me than Gammas, so I like to spend time with a Gamma now and then to be more balanced.
That bolded part is interesting to me, and I want to hear what other Gammas have to say about it. I also wanna know what Gammas think about Deltas in that regard.Originally Posted by aixelsyd
I kinda find when I'm just hanging out with Gammas, they seem weirdly tense or unapproachable. It's funny because we can bond on an intellectual level, but anything more than that and the relationship falls flat. It's like we don't know how to act naturally around each other or something, even though we can think naturally. This is why I say relationships with Gammas (and me) are more fruitful when we aren't actually physically interacting haha.
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Definitely Alpha. I get along with them better and connect with them more. Also gammas tend to make me a bit uncomfortable, usually.
Another alleged Gamma thinks Gamma and patience result in an oxymoron.
Patience is definitely something I lack and have been accused of it by many people, but mostly Alphas. It includes lack of patience for socializing for the sake of socializing, which I suppose "hanging out" stands for.
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Like Deltas better, but get along better with Betas. Ne vs Fe pretty much.
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Can have a lot of friction with some Beta STs. Beta NFs get along well with but only superficially. Their drama quickly pisses me off.
Delta NFs basically get along well with. Same with Delta STs. Interaction can be a little dry, but it's always comfortable. I'm more worried that I'm being annoying with the Fe.
Also, childhood issues with Betas probably skews this.
I personally don't think I have any problem with just hanging out sometimes if I know the people well, but for clarification what do you mean by just hanging out? What's the other alternative?
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Probably Delta or Alpha depending on which quadra I'm in.
I don't like quadras, I like people
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The alternative would be working with each other towards a productive end. Hanging out would be more like interaction for interaction's sake.
It's not so much that Gammas don't like to "hang out" per se, but it just feels like Ne/Si and Se/Ni intermixing in a "hanging out" sort of environment can feel a little stilted. It could also just be an instinct stacking thing, or maybe a combination of the two.
Beta Rationals > Delta Rationals > Delta Irrationals > Beta Irrationals
There is a surprising number of Gammas that I don't mind being around either, though. The common club between opposing quadras is often a basis for common ground. Opposing quadras also challenge you to become more well rounded.
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alpha irrationals are my fave! the rest are equal and depends on individuals.
That sounds very much like Beta, and from my experience it sounds nothing like Delta. It actually sounds more Gamma than Delta...
What do these signs mean—,
, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function(extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
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Hey I've done shit like that before.
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Ironically, I prefer a good gamma to a good beta/delta.
I prefer a good beta to a good delta.
I prefer a bad delta to a bad beta.
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It really has depended most on the person (outside of Socionics) more than anything, but I think I lean more towards the Gamma side, which is probably due to an increased rational subtype on my part. Than again I get the feeling that Gammas see me as too feeble, which also makes me get uncomfortable vibes
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Yeah, ultimately it all comes down to the individual.
I prefer Beta over Delta overall.
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yeah, irrationals are always better than those annoying control freaks.
Even with unhealthy Gammas, I usually feel better with them over Alpha. I can have more fun with alphas but is not as comfortable as Gamma, so I agree with Glam that It's because of polr issues.
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In terms of basic societal values I like Gamma best, in terms of how these values should be enforced I like alpha more.
Gamma seems more violent, strict and destructive but I tend to agree with the basic values they're trying to enforce. Alphas basic values seem mean/stupid, flighty (not serious) and crude but I tend to agree with the style of how they enforce their values.
It depends on my mood, but in general, Delta NFs, Beta STs.
People should pick the quadra which doesn't value their PoLR function.
oh hmm, you're right maybe that's why i prefer gammas. But I also dont like Fe in excess.
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That's what the Gammas want you to think.
seems like I get along best with Alpha and Gamma irrationals, also a lot of my friends have been Delta NFs though supposedly quasi-id and extinguishment relationship aren't supposed to be that great, I agree it largely depends on the person though
Ugh, this thread is dumb.
You can't "feel" anything about quadras because they are an abstraction. A quadra is a collection of types.
As an LII I have a specific relationship to EACH type. Only by blending all those relationships together and creating some imaginary anthropomorphous "quadra" entity which I attribute that composition to could I "feel" anything about a quadra.
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Or you can just think of people in each quadra and then think about which group you generally get along with better.
For me, it seems like I really like the betas I like and really dislike the ones I dislike. I don't have a strong opinion of most deltas in either way, but in generally I like all of them. Overall though, I like betas more than deltas.
Beta NFs > Delta NFs > Beta STs > Delta STs
1. Socionics is not the be all end all of social interaction, so "just thinking of people" is not sufficent. Other factors not related to socionics will distort your feeling.
2. If I am an LII, then in a Beta group I will find my supervisor, my semi-dual, my kin, and my beneficiary. The only way I could have a feeling about "beta", THAT IS ONLY RELEVANT TO SOCIONICS (unbiased by the incidental affects I have towards those I know who I have typed as beta), would be to lump the four relations together into some schizophrenic imaginary entity.
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yeah, kinda makes it all pretty pointless..
Well, if you really wanted to get down to that, I still don't see why you would have to mesh them into one entity. You could still compare them as groups. Just try to evaluate how good each individual relationship is and then compare. Though, theoretically speaking, the result would be the same for everyone.2. If I am an LII, then in a Beta group I will find my supervisor, my semi-dual, my kin, and my beneficiary. The only way I could have a feeling about "beta", THAT IS ONLY RELEVANT TO SOCIONICS (unbiased by the incidental affects I have towards those I know who I have typed as beta), would be to lump the four relations together into some schizophrenic imaginary entity.
okay, so how do you guys feel about the following?
(supervisor+beneficiary+kin+semidual) = x
(supervisee+benefitee+mirage+business) = y
(conflictor+quasiidentical+contrary+superego) = z
(identical+dual+mirror+activator) = s
Would it make sense to say that the way you feel about x/y/z/s is any different from the way you feel about the sum of its parts?
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Prolly not.
It doesn't even matter, people like/dislike what they do, and as you said, relationships don't play out according to socionics only. I doubt anything of any serious socionics value will come of this, but from what does and who cares anyway? People can talk about what they want.
Oh sure, I don't mind the freedom to participate in the thread. Just think its mad stupe
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