vote for my type

[717495]

please thoroughly decide before voting, thanks.

[Absurd]

Divorced again ?

EDIT: I'm going to vote "the same way as before but different this time", I bet you remember the last time.

[Pa3s]

I say Ni-ILI.
I don't totally rule out EII but I think it's rather unlikely. IEI sounds not very convincing as well. I think ILI is still the best way to describe you.

[Jarno]

ILE-Ti.

And I'm highly confident about it.

[ashlesha]

i wish i could fully decide ahh

i would say ILI except there have been a couple times ive gotten weird or taken things too personally and youve butted in with some non-sequitor that has taken a bit of the pressure off (unless it was just coincidental and i read too much into it, which is totally plausible). if not coincidental, it signifies higher awareness in that area than i would expect from an Fe-polr.

you seem soooo IP though, so if not Fe polr that would leave Fe creative, which you dont seem to identify with.

i could also consider LII or EII, though i don't know why. i guess the only thing that seems salient to me is: introvert, not Se ego.

and narrowing it down more, my agreement with crispy in that other thread...INxP then LII then EII.

i dont see where ILE is coming from, really.

i couldnt vote. sorry this wasnt very helpful.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

You remind me of eldanen in some ways. You're way more mature than him but you have the same vibe, or at least the same aesthetic appearance. You're like a more mature eldanen.

You're kinda cute and interesting. It's kinda neat how you want to be nice to people but then again you also want to play with them and get under their skin a little. I think you'd like argumentative hate sex.

[ashlesha]

You're kinda cute and interesting. It's kinda neat how you want to be nice to people but then again you also want to play with them and get under their skin a little.

yeah

[Jarno]

my second option would be LII-Ne for what it's worth.
ILI -> no way
ethical -> no way

[Pa3s]

ILI -> no way

Why do you rule out ILI? Please give some reasons.

[The Ineffable]

Oh nawh, not again!...

ILI -> no way
ethical -> no way

ILI -> maybe no way, but ethical -> yes way. I mean I never saw him strict about things & stuff... He's rather a creative, social and artistic kind, or something. Not only that he doesn't take facts and reasoning strictness seriously, but he's often mocking them, reducing everything to the human dimension.
Shouldn't his "Logicalness" be based on something?

[Pa3s]

Yeah, stuff he says is often way more indirect and veiled than anything I typically see from T types.

This could be because he's a type with leading intuitive function or the intuitive subtype of a rational type. Ne-LIIs for example aren't as straightforward than the typical T-type. I wouldn't neccessarily conclude this is connected with a F-preference, it can have multiple reasons.

[DividedsGhost]

Polly's quest - finding a type that will last and he can wear with pride.



Will someone please take him somewhere other than Walmart to get a type. The quality of the types there just don't last very long.

Poor Polly.

[Jarno]

Why do you rule out ILI? Please give some reasons.

he's not an identical.

He writes strange things in a strange language (from my point of view)

In the beginning when he was here, most people thought of him to be an Alpha NT. I don't understand why everybody is into ILI for him nowadays, but maybe more people have to vote, if they aren't tired from polikujm type threads that is.

[krieger]

He's French; that explains his weirdness.

[The Ineffable]

In the beginning when he was here, most people thought of him to be an Alpha NT. I don't understand why everybody is into ILI for him nowadays, but maybe more people have to vote, if they aren't tired from polikujm type threads that is.

Yeah that happened with Phaedrus anf many others, the masses are extremely subjective. Nevermind this, polls and consensus lists are just a delusion. If I had a Socionics forum and was serious about it, I'd allow these only in "anything goes" (but related) sections, they're ridiculous when you think about them as evidence.

[Galen]

Seems like if you were a T type, you'd be more confident in info/conclusions of that nature. Which isn't saying that you're bad at it or anything. I don't think having something as an ego fxn necessarily makes a person 'good' at it per say, only that it increases the likelihood of they themselves being convinced of their own abilities in it. If that makes sense.

Well don't forget about people like Huitz or Gilly, who are also T egos and are wishy-washy on their types all the time.

But I guess with how much he talks about connecting with deltas better than alpha I could see Ne-INFj.

[Jarno]

Gilly, who are also T egos

gilly was F ego

[Galen]

gilly was F ego

No he's not. His implementations of Ti are much more numerous and natural than how Fe manifests in him.

[thePirate]

been gone 4 months and still you are figuring out your type

stick to ILI and be done with it

[krieger]

screw the denialists; polikujm is INTp.

[Exodus]

No he's not. His implementations of Ti are much more numerous and natural than how Fe manifests in him.

lol

Yeah, Gilly isn't expressive or emotional at all...

[Absurd]

screw the denialists; polikujm is INTp.

Oh shit, the D word, again.

You know that pneumonia and a positive HIV test equals AIDS whilst pneumonia and a negative HIV test equals pneumonia.

[The Ineffable]

... or Gilly, who are also T egos ...

gilly was F ego

No he's not.

At first, I thought it was a typo or something.

[The Ineffable]

screw the denialists; polikujm is INTp.

[Pa3s]

Well don't forget about people like Huitz or Gilly, who are also T egos and are wishy-washy on their types all the time.

You connected insecurity about (or constantly re-evaluating of) the own type and -valuing/ egos before, if I'm not mistaken. But how do people get to a conclusion without making assumptions? I'm not sure if this is related.

[Galen]

You connected insecurity about (or constantly re-evaluating of) the own type and -valuing/ egos before, if I'm not mistaken.

Have I? I don't remember saying anything like that. If I have asserted that in the past then I take it back.

But how do people get to a conclusion without making assumptions? I'm not sure if this is related.

I'm not sure what this question is supposed to mean lol.

[Pa3s]

Have I? I don't remember saying anything like that. If I have asserted that in the past then I take it back.

I think it was in a previous chat. Or maybe I'm wrong and somebody else said it. I'm generally saving my chats, but I'm sitting in front of the wrong pc.

I'm not sure what this question is supposed to mean lol.

Sorry for not expressing myself more clearly. I think it was something like: Ti egos base their self typing on own assumptions, that's why they question their type more often. They tend to re-evaluate their own type because they always think their conclusions could be wrong as well. But I guess everyone needs assumptions for a self-typing. Or maybe I misunderstood something...

[Galen]

I think it was in a previous chat. Or maybe I'm wrong and somebody else said it. I'm generally saving my chats, but I'm sitting in front of the wrong pc.

Hmm, I think shindaiwa on here probably said something like that, but I don't know if he still thinks that.

Sorry for not expressing myself more clearly. I think it was something like: Ti egos base their self typing on own assumptions, that's why they question their type more often. They tend to re-evaluate their own type because they always think their conclusions could be wrong as well. But I guess everyone needs assumptions for a self-typing. Or maybe I misunderstood something...

I think this would have to do with the nature of Ti as being based in assumptions. As Ti has no real means of judging whether or not a piece of external information has merit by itself (which would be more of a Te means of doing it), it has to sorta create a set of things that are assumed true in order for the pieces to be put together. Or so my understanding goes, someone please tell me if I'm wrong. That said, I wouldn't expect Te/Fi valuers to base their self-typings on a series of assumptions, because they'd be much more interested in the veracity of the external bits of information themselves.

[The Ineffable]

That said, I wouldn't expect Te/Fi valuers to base their self-typings on a series of assumptions, because they'd be much more interested in the veracity of the external bits of information themselves.

There are two main requirements in understanding:
- accurate facts;
- correct interpretation of facts.

You can't dismiss either in favor of the other. Indeed the interpretation can be used on assumptions as well as on facts - maths is such an example - but that does not mean that this interpretation is a set of assumptions.

Facts and figures cannot valitate everything by themselves, in fact they reveal very little - read my sig. Deep interpretation, expansion and rules are required in order to understand a lot of things. For example, you can't tell the radius of the Sun by measurements, such thing is impossible, but you use the known correct mathematical functions to do it.
If you understand the nature of Ti and Te, you can actually realize that Socionics typing is rather a Ti field - at least someone needs to use primarily Ti to understand: unlike MBTI, where the type is determined by identifying as many typical traits and behaviors, in Socionics it is a formula so that a certain representative can behave in pretty many ways, although this formula is pretty strict and clear.

In a simplistic manner:
Te = chart: a set of actual definite inputs (Bodies), an experimental procedure, actual interactions (Dynamic), a result strictly based on them (External); "when ... action ... then ..."
Ti = function: one or more arguments/variables that can take different undefined inputs (Fields), an abstract rule, no actual interactions (Static), a result strictly based on this rule (External); "if ..., because ..., then ..."

[Galen]

There are two main requirements in understanding:
- accurate facts;
- correct interpretation of facts.

You can't dismiss either in favor of the other. Indeed the interpretation can be used on assumptions as well as on facts - maths is such an example - but that does not mean that this interpretation is a set of assumptions.

Facts and figures cannot valitate everything by themselves, in fact they reveal very little - read my sig. Deep interpretation, expansion and rules are required in order to understand a lot of things. For example, you can't tell the radius of the Sun by measurements, such thing is impossible, but you use the known correct mathematical functions to do it.

Hmm, you bring up a host of points that I neglected to consider. I'll have to rephrase what I'm trying to say, if I ever get around to it.

[717495]

*bump*

I thought I'd attract more attention to myself now.

[ashlesha]

BUMP!

[717495]

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[Korpsy Knievel]

Sanpaku type.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpaku

[Simon Ssmall]

Lack of neanderthal genes. It is obvious you are INTp and you need to meet a lovely SEE.

[Galen]

GEE I WONDER WHO THIS PERSON IS

[Simon Ssmall]

GEE I WONDER WHO THIS PERSON IS

I am also wondering who it is. I assume it is someone close to him he doesnt want us to know and you should respect that. I think your lack of respect for that indicates you ARE BY NO MEANS AN ENFP. You are Fe valuing.

[Simon Ssmall]

No, this person is not Alpha. Alpha people would not look like this. Here let me help:



Do you notice the difference?? Also he is not Si valueing as it is my valuign function adnd I would notice.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

don't listen to them!`111222111!!!!

[Simon Ssmall]

don't listen to them!`111222111!!!!

An ESI would not have a username like timewaster. Te is their dual seeking function and they dislike wasting time. You should find another type my dear.