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    Arrow Keys2cognition Cognitive Functions Test

    Posting this again because the old host doesn't work anymore.

    http://keys2cognition.com/explore.htm



    My result

    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) *********************** (23.6)
    limited use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ******************************* (31.7)
    good use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************************* (32)
    good use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) *********************** (23.4)
    limited use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************** (26.6)
    average use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ***************************************** (41.7)
    excellent use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ********* (9.5)
    unused
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************************** (50.9)
    excellent use
    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INFP

    Lead (Dominant) Process
    Introverted Feeling (Fi): Staying true to who you really are. Paying close attention to your personal identity, values and beliefs. Checking with your conscience. Choosing behavior congruent with what is important to you.

    Support (Auxilliary) Process
    Extraverted Intuiting (Ne): Exploring the emerging patterns. Wondering about patterns of interaction across various situations. Checking what hypotheses and meanings fit best. Trusting what emerges as you shift a situation’s dynamics.

    If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ENFP, or ISFP

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    I remember this test. I come up Fi Ne, with Se and Te as my lowest.
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    Cognitive ProcessLevel of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)

    extraverted Sensing (Se)
    (9.9) unused
    introverted Sensing (Si) (37.4) excellent use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) (37.2) excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) (30.1) good use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) (40.3) excellent use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) (28) average use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) (23.2) limited use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) (33.1) good use


    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ISTJ
    Lead (Dominant) Process
    Introverted Sensing (Si): Stabilizing with a predictable standard. Carefully comparing a situation to the customary ways you’ve come to rely on. Checking with past experiences. Stabilizing a situation and invest for future security.

    Support (Auxilliary) Process
    Extraverted Thinking (Te): Measuring and constructing for progress. Making decisions objectively based on evidence and measures. Checking if things function properly. Applying a procedure to control events and complete goals.
    If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ESTJ, or INTJ

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    lol poli is hardcore IJ and trevor is delta ST.

    attempted to take the test on my phone and wasted 20 minutes of my life. i remember taking it before and getting Si as the highest followed by Fi, and having "unused" Ti.

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    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************************** (32.3)
    good use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ************************************** (38.4)
    excellent use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ***************** (17.9)
    limited use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ********* (9.8)
    unused
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ********************************************** (46.3)
    excellent use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ****************************** (30)
    good use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************************* (25.9)
    average use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) *************************************** (39.2)
    excellent use



    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ESTJ

    Lead (Dominant) Process
    Extraverted Thinking (Te): Measuring and constructing for progress. Making decisions objectively based on evidence and measures. Checking if things function properly. Applying a procedure to control events and complete goals.

    Support (Auxilliary) Process
    Introverted Sensing (Si): Stabilizing with a predictable standard. Carefully comparing a situation to the customary ways you’ve come to rely on. Checking with past experiences. Stabilizing a situation and invest for future security.

    If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ISTJ, or ESFP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    ISTJ
    That's why I hate you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    lol poli is hardcore IJ and trevor is delta ST.
    These are Jungian functions, so they are not compatible with the IM elements or socionic types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    These are Jungian functions, so they are not compatible with the IM elements or socionic types.
    i'm still tring to figure out for myself how much jung's definitions may or not be relevant to socionics understanding. as far as i can tell, there are differing points of view.

    interesting, though, in that context, that i scored highest in Si and that riso and hudson (if i remember correctly) correlate enneagram 9 with jungian Si.

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    Cognitive Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Process Use)

    extraverted*************************************(3 5.6) Sensing (Se) good use

    introverted*************************************** ****(41.5) Sensing (Si) excellent use

    extraverted***************************(25.1) Intuiting (Ne) average use introverted*****************(16)

    Intuiting (Ni) unused extraverted*************************************** *(38.3)

    Thinking (Te) excellent use introverted*************************************(3 5.4)

    Thinking (Ti) good use extraverted***********************(21.2) Feeling (Fe) limited use introverted****************************(26.3) Feeling

    (Fi) average use Summary Analysis of Profile By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ESTJ


    Lead (Dominant) Process Extraverted Thinking (Te): Measuring and constructing for progress. Making decisions objectively based on evidence and measures. Checking if things function properly. Applying a procedure to control events and complete goals. Support (Auxilliary) Process

    Introverted Sensing (Si): Stabilizing with a predictable standard. Carefully comparing a situation to the customary ways you’ve situation and invest for future security. If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ISTJ, or ESTP
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    Does this mean Ashton really needs a dual or he's about to explode?

    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    lol poli is hardcore IJ
    Lawl. Maybe my result means I'm a Ti-EII in Aleksei's system.

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    Systems are multiplying. Where's my beer and trustee something.

    EDIT: You're going to have to eat through the wood in the Delta quadra first, polikujm. They have this forest there, they're surrounded by a forest.
    Last edited by Absurd; 12-22-2010 at 06:16 PM.

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    Unsurprising result #2640972365

    Se 15.1 unused
    Si 35.4 good use
    Ne 45.7 excellent use
    Ni 31.9 good use
    Te 34.3 good use
    Ti 41.5 excellent use
    Fe 07.0 unused
    Fi 29.3 average use

    Your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INTP

    Alternate types: ENTP, INFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    i'm still tring to figure out for myself how much jung's definitions may or not be relevant to socionics understanding. as far as i can tell, there are differing points of view.
    Jung didn't get it completely right. When you're the only one promoting/investigating something, getting it exactly right is hard even if you're on the right track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton2 View Post
    They're the same thing (well, this particular site's interpretation might not be the same, but otherwise yeah).
    But I like these ones though, they remind about things I hate about so much, and why I want my emotional space damn it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    EDIT: You're going to have to eat through the wood in the Delta quadra first, polikujm. They have this forest there, they're surrounded by a forest.
    No see, we don't cut down trees. People get lifted in by airship on an early May day. I'll continue with my hermitage for now.

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    extraverted Sensing (Se) (24.1) average use
    introverted Sensing (Si) (26.8) average use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) (41.4) excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) (40) excellent use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) (10.6) unused
    introverted Thinking (Ti) (21.1) limited use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) (39.2) excellent use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) (37.4) excellent use

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    People get lifted in by airship on an early May day.
    Touché.

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    extraverted Sensing (Se) *********************** (23.1)
    limited use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ******************************** (32)
    good use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************************** (32.5)
    good use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) *************** (15.8)
    unused
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ******************************** (32.8)
    good use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ************************ (24.7)
    average use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) *************************************** (39)
    excellent use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) *************************************** (39.9)
    excellent use

    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ENFP

    Lead (Dominant) Process
    Extraverted Intuiting (Ne): Exploring the emerging patterns. Wondering about patterns of interaction across various situations. Checking what hypotheses and meanings fit best. Trusting what emerges as you shift a situation’s dynamics.

    Support (Auxilliary) Process
    Introverted Feeling (Fi): Staying true to who you really are. Paying close attention to your personal identity, values and beliefs. Checking with your conscience. Choosing behavior congruent with what is important to you.
    "And above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely places. Those who don't believe in magic will never find it." -Roald Dahl

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    Galen, has your MBTI type changed in the past while? I remember you first told us you got INFJ on every test you've taken.

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    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************* (19.9)
    limited use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ********************** (22.1)
    limited use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ********************************** (34.3)
    good use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) *********************************** (35)
    good use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ****************************** (30)
    good use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ********************************** (34.9)
    good use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************ (12.1)
    unused
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************************** ** (52.3)
    excellent use
    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INFP

    Lead (Dominant) Process
    Introverted Feeling (Fi): Staying true to who you really are. Paying close attention to your personal identity, values and beliefs. Checking with your conscience. Choosing behavior congruent with what is important to you.

    Support (Auxilliary) Process
    Extraverted Intuiting (Ne): Exploring the emerging patterns. Wondering about patterns of interaction across various situations. Checking what hypotheses and meanings fit best. Trusting what emerges as you shift a situation’s dynamics.

    If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ENFP, or ISFP

    If these results are different from what you know of yourself, you might consider why your developmental pattern does not align with your expectation. You might also consider exploring this result as a possible better fit.

    The Four Temperaments
    Corresponding best-fit temperaments based on your profile: Theorist; secondly Catalyst; then Improviser; and lastly, Stabilizer.
    To read more about the four temperaments click here.
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    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************* (19.8)
    limited use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ****************************** (30.9)
    good use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************************************* (43.2)
    excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ********************** (22.8)
    limited use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ****************************** (30)
    good use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ************************* (25.9)
    average use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ***************************** (29.7)
    average use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************* (37.1)
    excellent use

    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ENFP

    If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: INFP, or ENTP
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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Galen, has your MBTI type changed in the past while? I remember you first told us you got INFJ on every test you've taken.
    Uhm, it may have. I haven't really paid that much attention to MBTI for a while, but I guess INFP or ENFP don't seem too unlikely for me; in fact, looking at the Jungian elements would completely throw INFJ out the window. Most of the MBTI tests I've taken are based in the E/I N/S F/T P/J dichotomies though, and on those I'm pretty consistently INFJ. So I guess it's natural for my result to be different on a test that looks at the Jungian elements.

    It is kinda weird though that the test had me as ENFP even though I scored highest on Fi.
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    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) **************************** (28.6)
    average use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ********************************************** (46.6)
    excellent use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************* (19.3)
    limited use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ************ (12.2)
    unused
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ********************************** (34.5)
    good use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) *********************************** (35.4)
    good use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ********************** (22.3)
    limited use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) **************************************** (40.5)
    excellent use

    It gave me my MBTI type.

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    Ti - 43.1
    Te - 42.9
    Se - 42.1
    Si - 40.7
    Ne - 22.5
    Ni - 22.5
    Fi - 17.5
    Fe - 8.3

    ISTP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    It gave me my MBTI type.
    Would that be ISTJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    Would that be ISTJ?
    Or ISTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
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    results from the second go-round.

    i must have been influenced on some level by wanting to get the "right" result since my Fi is so much higher than last time. Si is still pretty high. Ti still even lower than Se.


    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ************* (13.4)
    unused
    introverted Sensing (Si) **************************************** (40.8)
    excellent use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************************* (37.9)
    excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ************************* (25.6)
    average use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************** (26.5)
    average use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ********** (10.2)
    unused
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ******************************* (31.9)
    good use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************************** *** (53.1)
    excellent use

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    extraverted Sensing (Se) ************************** (26.3)
    average use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ********************************** (34.5)
    good use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) *********************************************** (47.5)
    excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) **************** (16)
    unused
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ******************* (19.1)
    limited use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) *************************** (27.4)
    average use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ******************************** (32.4)
    good use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************ (36.4)
    excellent use
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    It's worthy of note that this is an MBTI test and uses MBTI functions; it has nothing to do with Socionics.

    That said...

    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ****************************************** (42.3)
    excellent use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) *************************************** (39.3)
    excellent use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************************ (36.2)
    excellent use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ********************************** (34.3)
    good use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) **************************** (28.2)
    average use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************************* (25.1)
    average use
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************** (22.2)
    limited use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ************* (13)
    unused

    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ENFP
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton2 View Post
    They're the same thing (well, this particular site's interpretation might not be the same, but otherwise yeah).
    Ehm, no they're not. MBTI functions are based on a significantly distinct cross-section of personality than Socionics elements, and are indeed defined very differently.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Ehm, no they're not. MBTI functions are based on a significantly distinct cross-section of personality than Socionics elements, and are indeed defined very differently.
    How are MBTI functions defined, and can you link/cite sources on these definitions?


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    It's worthy of note that this is an MBTI test and uses MBTI functions; it has nothing to do with Socionics.
    Then how come so many people's results match up pretty consistently with their socionics self-typing, if not just their valued IEs? You saying this feels much more like a cover-up or a qualification of your results, and I don't really get why you're saying this other than to justify your own self image as an ENFj.
    "And above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely places. Those who don't believe in magic will never find it." -Roald Dahl

    http://forum.socionix.com/
    It's pretty cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    How are MBTI functions defined, and can you link/cite sources on these definitions?
    Certainly.

    Introverted Sensing often involves storing data and information, then comparing and contrasting the current situation with similar ones. The immediate experience or words are instantly linked with the prior experiences, and we register a similarity or a difference—for example, noticing that some food doesn’t taste the same or is saltier than it usually is. Introverted Sensing is also operating when we see someone who reminds us of someone else. Sometimes a feeling associated with the recalled image comes into our awareness along with the information itself. Then the image can be so strong, our body responds as if reliving the experience. The process also involves reviewing the past to draw on the lessons of history, hindsight, and experience. With introverted Sensing, there is often great attention to detail and getting a clear picture of goals and objectives and what is to happen. There can be a oneness with ageless customs that help sustain civilization and culture and protect what is known and long-lasting, even while what is reliable changes.
    Extraverted Sensing occurs when we become aware of what is in the physical world in rich detail. We may be drawn to act on what we experience to get an immediate result. We notice relevant facts and occurrences in a sea of data and experiences, learning all the facts we can about the immediate context or area of focus and what goes on in that context. An active seeking of more and more input to get the whole picture may occur until all sources of input have been exhausted or something else captures our attention. Extraverted Sensing is operating when we freely follow exciting physical impulses or instincts as they come up and enjoy the thrill of action in the present moment. A oneness with the physical world and a total absorption may exist as we move, touch, and sense what is around us. The process involves instantly reading cues to see how far we can go in a situation and still get the impact we want or respond to the situation with presence.
    Introverted iNtuiting involves synthesizing the seemingly paradoxical or contradictory, which takes understanding to a new level. Using this process, we can have moments when completely new, unimagined realizations come to us. A disengagement from interactions in the room occurs, followed by a sudden “Aha!” or “That’s it!” The sense of the future and the realizations that come from introverted iNtuiting have a sureness and an imperative quality that seem to demand action and help us stay focused on fulfilling our vision or dream of how things will be in the future. Using this process, we might rely on a focal device or symbolic action to predict, enlighten, or transform. We could find ourselves laying out how the future will unfold based on unseen trends and telling signs. This process can involve working out complex concepts or systems of thinking or conceiving of symbolic or novel ways to understand things that are universal. It can lead to creating transcendent experiences or solutions.
    Extraverted iNtuiting involves noticing hidden meanings and interpreting them, often entertaining a wealth of possible interpretations from just one idea or interpreting what someone’s behavior really means. It also involves seeing things “as if,” with various possible representations of reality. Using this process, we can juggle many different ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and meanings in our mind at once with the possibility that they are all true. This is like weaving themes and threads together. We don’t know the weave until a thought thread appears or is drawn out in the interaction of thoughts, often brought in from other contexts. Thus a strategy or concept often emerges from the here-and-now interactions, not appearing as a whole beforehand. Using this process we can really appreciate brainstorming and trust what emerges, enjoying imaginative play with scenarios and combining possibilities, using a kind of cross-contextual thinking. Extraverted iNtuiting also can involve catalyzing people and extemporaneously shaping situations, spreading an atmosphere of change through emergent leadership.
    Introverted Thinking often involves finding just the right word to clearly express an idea concisely, crisply, and to the point. Using introverted Thinking is like having an internal sense of the essential qualities of something, noticing the fine distinctions that make it what it is and then naming it. It also involves an internal reasoning process of deriving subcategories of classes and sub-principles of general principles. These can then be used in problem solving, analysis, and refining of a product or an idea. This process is evidenced in behaviors like taking things or ideas apart to figure out how they work. The analysis involves looking at different sides of an issue and seeing where there is inconsistency. In so doing, we search for a “leverage point” that will fix problems with the least amount of effort or damage to the system. We engage in this process when we notice logical inconsistencies between statements and frameworks, using a model to evaluate the likely accuracy of what’s observed.
    Contingency planning, scheduling, and quantifying utilize the process of extraverted Thinking. Extraverted Thinking helps us organize our environment and ideas through charts, tables, graphs, flow charts, outlines, and so on. At its most sophisticated, this process is about organizing and monitoring people and things to work efficiently and productively. Empirical thinking is at the core of extraverted Thinking when we challenge someone’s ideas based on the logic of the facts in front of us or lay out reasonable explanations for decisions or conclusions made, often trying to establish order in someone else’s thought process. In written or verbal communication, extraverted Thinking helps us easily follow someone else’s logic, sequence, or organization. It also helps us notice when something is missing, like when someone says he or she is going to talk about four topics and talks about only three. In general, it allows us to compartmentalize many aspects of our lives so we can do what is necessary to accomplish our objectives.
    It is often hard to assign words to the values used to make introverted Feeling judgments since they are often associated with images, feeling tones, and gut reactions more than words. As a cognitive process, it often serves as a filter for information that matches what is valued, wanted, or worth believing in. There can be a continual weighing of the situational worth or importance of everything and a patient balancing of the core issues of peace and conflict in life’s situations. We engage in the process of introverted Feeling when a value is compromised and we think, “Sometimes, some things just have to be said.” On the other hand, most of the time this process works “in private” and is expressed through actions. It helps us know when people are being fake or insincere or if they are basically good. It is like having an internal sense of the “essence” of a person or a project and reading fine distinctions among feeling tones.
    The process of extraverted Feeling often involves a desire to connect with (or disconnect from) others and is often evidenced by expressions of warmth (or displeasure) and self-disclosure. The “social graces,” such as being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate, often revolve around the process of extraverted Feeling. Keeping in touch, laughing at jokes when others laugh, and trying to get people to act kindly to each other also involve extraverted Feeling. Using this process, we respond according to expressed or even unexpressed wants and needs of others. We may ask people what they want or need or self-disclose to prompt them to talk more about themselves. This often sparks conversation and lets us know more about them so we can better adjust our behavior to them. Often with this process, we feel pulled to be responsible and take care of others’ feelings, sometimes to the point of not separating our feelings from theirs. We may recognize and adhere to shared values, feelings, and social norms to get along.
    In summary: Si matches nothing in Socionics, but its whole mental map nature seems tenuously connected to (Example of this: King Leonidas of Sparta, typed ESTJ in MBTI, and EIE in Socionics -- neither is my typing, but I agree with both). Se can match either Sensing function, but fits better with than (conversely, can fit into any MBTI type that's sufficiently impatient and focused on mobilization, even N types. Example: Mello from Death Note is ENFP and C-SLE). Fe and Fi can both be either Ethical element, but overall I've found them most likely to be inverted.

    Then how come so many people's results match up pretty consistently with their socionics self-typing, if not just their valued IEs?
    Well the systems are about 50% compatible anyway, so that's not too surprising.
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    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    Then how come so many people's results match up pretty consistently with their socionics self-typing, if not just their valued IEs? You saying this feels much more like a cover-up or a qualification of your results, and I don't really get why you're saying this other than to justify your own self image as an ENFj.
    The extraverts are safe, not the introverts. My type came back as INFP with FiNe as the function order. IEI is NiFe. These are not the same function interpretations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    The extraverts are safe, not the introverts.
    Oy.

    Why does everyone here think that having a different type in MBTI than Socionics is a bad thing? (or that one of them is "wrong" or whatever).
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Oy.

    Why does everyone here think that having a different type in MBTI than Socionics is a bad thing? (or that one of them is "wrong" or whatever).
    Because if you believe in the Model A then a one to one correlation is the only way to go about typology.

    I don't think MBTI is wrong though, I just don't agree with its semantics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    Because if you believe in the Model A then a one to one correlation is the only way to go about typology.
    Where in Model A is a one-to-one correlation required?
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov

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    It's worthwhile to ask which system delivers greater accuracy in determining whether the schnozzberries taste like schnozzberries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rps3y View Post
    It's worthwhile to ask which system delivers greater accuracy in determining whether the schnozzberries taste like schnozzberries.
    That would be the SNTI (Schnozzoberry Normalization Typology Indicator).
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Where in Model A is a one-to-one correlation required?
    The effects of the IM elements being placed in certain areas. In MBTI forums, numerous theories have been produced describing the inferior function of the types. They treat the inferior functions the same for both introverts and extraverts. Meaning, for example, ESFJ's inferior Ti manifests in the same way as INTP's inferior Fe. From a Socionics perspective this is incorrect, because an ESFJ's Ti is its DS function and an INTPs Fe is its PoLR. Do you see the problem of using the same semantics?

    The result is a ton of BS theories that have some truths and some confirmation bias.

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    The problem there is labeling. The functions are not the same, and are not used the same way, and are not used for the same types. They just happen to have the same fucking names.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    The problem there is labeling. The functions are not the same, and are not used the same way, and are not used for the same types. They just happen to have the same fucking names.
    The problem is more than labeling. If you treat an Extravert's inferior the same an an Introvert's inferior than you disregard the differences between them seen from a Socionics perspective.

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