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    Would you define yourself as having socially liberal leanings or more conservative leanings?

    Socially liberal leanings:
    * socialist "big government" approach to problems that most people in society share
    * secular -- strong seperation between church and state.
    * tightly regulated markets
    * transparent government

    Conservative leanings:
    * market based solutions to most social problems
    * strong role for religion, possibly at the cost of civil rights
    * free, unregulated markets
    * opaque, secretive government

    Please respond. :/ I need the data for a pop survey class assignment that's due in... 7 hours. Minimum 15 respondents.

    I have protected your identities (the poll doesn't record them), but I need to know:
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    * your age
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    As a liberal. I'm not into big government. That's just propaganda at work. I like limited corporate welfare and have a small War Department. The cons like big government.
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    Liberal, no question.

    Until another political system comes along that affords me the ability to live in affluence until the age of 80 with no fear for my personal safety, I'm not likely to budge from my position.

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    liberal. female, 22, United States.

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    Male, 22, USA.

    Neither.

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    Morally Conservative. I tend to be middle-ground in the rest (but I prefer to be counted as Conservative).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaud
    Socially liberal leanings:
    * socialist "big government" approach to problems that most people in society share
    * secular -- strong seperation between church and state.
    * tightly regulated markets

    * transparent government

    Conservative leanings:
    * market based solutions to most social problems
    * strong role for religion, possibly at the cost of civil rights
    * free, unregulated markets

    * opaque, secretive government
    Interesting.

    Thread suggests the same.

    (EDIT: Welp, RA and DA just blew that up.)
    Last edited by CILi; 12-17-2010 at 12:53 AM. Reason: RyeneAbbie

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    Socially liberal leanings:
    * socialist "big government" approach to problems that most people in society share
    * secular -- strong seperation between church and state.
    * tightly regulated markets
    * transparent government

    Conservative leanings:
    * market based solutions to most social problems
    * strong role for religion, possibly at the cost of civil rights
    * free, unregulated markets
    * opaque, secretive government

    at all the bolded. I guess that make me a moderate, eh.

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    I guess that make me a moderate, eh.
    It makes you a national socialist.

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    Centrist or National Socialist, the name doesn't really matter.
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    Socially liberal leanings:
    * socialist "big government" approach to problems that most people in society share
    * secular -- strong separation between church and state.
    * tightly regulated markets
    * transparent government

    Conservative leanings:
    * market based solutions to most social problems
    * strong role for religion, possibly at the cost of civil rights
    * free, unregulated markets
    * opaque, secretive government

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    I don't define myself as either one. I don't know enough about politics, the effects of mass political changes, and political parties to make an authentic stance. I do lean toward social liberalism, but only because its representatives don't have the image of capitalist jackasses.

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    I disagree with your definitions, and therefore must reply "neither". Most egregiously, "transparent government" vs. "opaque, secretive government" has nothing to do with the liberal/conservative spectrum, as governments on both sides can go either way (I would not call the Soviet Union, for example, "transparent").

    The Nolan Chart is a better way of measuring political affiliation. On this graph, I would be somewhere around the line between "conservative" and "libertarian" (and more likely to fall on the libertarian side than the conservative).


    Transparent/Opaque is more a function of the Libertarian/Statist axis than the Liberal/Conservative one.
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    Liberal

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    Definitely liberal as in your short description. But it's important to add that I'm social-liberal and not neoliberal. I mean I'm for a social state and also for government intervention of the economy but not for laisser-faire markets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    I disagree with your definitions, and therefore must reply "neither". Most egregiously, "transparent government" vs. "opaque, secretive government" has nothing to do with the liberal/conservative spectrum, as governments on both sides can go either way (I would not call the Soviet Union, for example, "transparent").

    The Nolan Chart is a better way of measuring political affiliation. On this graph, I would be somewhere around the line between "conservative" and "libertarian" (and more likely to fall on the libertarian side than the conservative).


    Transparent/Opaque is more a function of the Libertarian/Statist axis than the Liberal/Conservative one.
    This diagram doesn't work. Lefties hate taxes too, and righties are very much into personal issues.

    Here's how I see it:

    Liberals:
    fairness
    indivdual freedom
    change
    mercy


    Conservatives
    individual responsibility
    family/community values
    stability
    justice
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    A political spectrum test I took not too long ago that I liked


    The Political Spectrum Quiz
    tereg is a centrist social libertarian. tereg is also a non-interventionist and culturally liberal. tereg's scores (from 0 to 10):
    Economic issues: +0.21 left
    Social issues: +5.13 libertarian
    Foreign policy: +5.45 non-interventionist
    Cultural identification: +4.27 liberal



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    Based strictly on the definitions you provide, I would define myself as a liberal
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    M, 700ish, North Pole

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    lol, i would like to hear an argument for why santa claus would be conservative (not that i agree or disagree, just think it would be entertaining).

    i think we should type him, too. SEI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    lol, i would like to hear an argument for why santa claus would be conservative (not that i agree or disagree, just think it would be entertaining).
    I support the free market and bombing the commies. Ho ho ho!

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    Coal is the energy of the future.

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    Socially liberal leanings:
    * socialist "big government" approach to problems that most people in society share
    * secular -- strong seperation between church and state.
    * tightly regulated markets
    * transparent government

    Conservative leanings:
    * market based solutions to most social problems
    * strong role for religion, possibly at the cost of civil rights
    * free, unregulated markets
    * opaque, secretive government

    (Blah... I'm evenly split. Conservative was my first thought before reading the definitions, though.)

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    it's cool to be libertarian on the internets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    it's cool to be libertarian on the internets.
    lol

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    *THANKS TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED *

    The study was completed on time with your help.

    Rather surprised by the results. I had thought that support for Wikileaks/government transparency split between liberals and conservatives. However, the split may just be a characteristic of pro-U.S. nations, maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrano View Post
    This diagram doesn't work. Lefties hate taxes too, and righties are very much into personal issues.
    Eh? A 'leftie' who hated taxes would be up towards the line between "Liberal" and "Libertarian". There are many Liberals who do like taxes (saying that it's people's 'patriotic duty' to pay them, or whatever), and they would be down towards the line between "Liberal" and "Statist". Likewise, a Conservative who wanted the government to regulate personal issues would be down closer to "Statist", and a Conservative who wants government to leave people's personal issues alone would be up towards "Libertarian".
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Socially liberal leanings:
    * socialist "big government" approach to problems that most people in society share
    lol @ big governments trying to solve most people problems. they'll likely solve their own little lobbies' problems.

    * secular -- strong seperation between church and state.
    churches should be abolished and burned, mostly. Parliaments too, of course. They're just attempts at taking away your free will with mass brainwashing.

    * tightly regulated markets
    As if it worked, lol. For every new rule you have an army of people paid to find a way out of it.

    * market based solutions to most social problems
    Why would social problems have to be solved through markets? It's kind of MEH to think that society's mostly composed of a marketplace. So american.

    * strong role for religion, possibly at the cost of civil rights
    I'm not even going to comment on this lol. I can't even understand how someone might support this kind of policy. They are probably a different species of mammals.
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    I'm neither, I can see flaws in both ideological bases and therefore I do not subscribe to them.

    My political views usually consist of a number of discrete observations on society that I consider to be profound, insightful and useful in informing my opinions on the issues. Sometimes those observations are line with the liberals, and sometimes with the conservatives, but they've never matched up absolutely with either.

    I get the sense a lot of time that their is a lot of instability in the average constituency, a lot of instability in party platforms, and a lot of instability in the ideals of the leadership. I generally get this impression that people flock to whatever ideology benefits their lives the best at any given time and pretend like its a deep part of their identity and values... when in reality most constituency in America selects candidates on the basis of personal sentiment and reaction against incumbents fueled by the media, and most leaders in America select constituency based on personal ambition and gain. As a result I believe the real power lies with a sort of corporate-media complex, that isn't fueled by any formal structure, and is highly susceptible to the problem of materialism and narcissism for which their is no reliable fail safe, but will become an emergent issue as post-modernization plays out.
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    Would you define yourself as having socially liberal leanings or more conservative leanings?

    I don't define myself as anything political

    Socially liberal leanings:
    * socialist "big government" approach to problems that most people in society share
    Conservative leanings:
    * market based solutions to most social problems

    social problems should be addressed through other institutions such as family and community. "BIG government" should keep itself small to give them the room and resources to work it out.

    Socially liberal leanings:
    * secular -- strong seperation between church and state.
    Conservative leanings:
    * strong role for religion, possibly at the cost of civil rights

    The ability to represent your belief system and influence your community (and society) based on your beliefs and moral code is a basic civil right. Secularists can cost religious citizens civil rights just as much as a strong role for religion can.

    Like all of these issues, this is not nearly black and white. I can recognize points of merit in both views. I would lean towards the strong religious role if the religion were one that fit my beliefs, but I recognize the merit of the strong secular role in the fat that I wouldn't want to live under a strong religious role that didn't fit my beliefs.

    Socially liberal leanings:
    * tightly regulated markets
    Conservative leanings:
    * free, unregulated markets

    I don't care enough about economics to say. I could see both having their time and place, as well as both having their nightmares.

    Socially liberal leanings:
    * transparent government
    Conservative leanings:
    * opaque, secretive government

    levels of accountability > transparency
    There ARE situations in which secrecy is warrented.


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    * your age
    * your country of residence

    M, 37, USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Would you define yourself as having socially liberal leanings or more conservative leanings?

    Socially liberal leanings:
    * socialist "big government" approach to problems that most people in society share
    * secular -- strong seperation between church and state.
    * tightly regulated markets
    * transparent government

    Conservative leanings:
    * market based solutions to most social problems
    * strong role for religion, possibly at the cost of civil rights
    * free, unregulated markets
    * opaque, secretive government

    Please respond. :/ I need the data for a pop survey class assignment that's due in... 7 hours. Minimum 15 respondents.

    I have protected your identities (the poll doesn't record them), but I need to know:
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    * your age
    * your country of residence

    If you don't want to disclose these publicly, please PM me.
    I'm a feeler type with very little Te and on top of that I have a strong idealistic drive and an idealism that is not always economically objective so my answer is naturally, anything that helps people first, that puts the well-being of emotional and physical ahead of all else...idealism that isn't real.

    A Te person says is that the reason why he's generating Te is for other people, not just for yourself, very Fi valuing. There's a role, purpose to generating Te...makes me value this without leaning towards conservative scale.

    so...that's very liberal socially

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    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    I am a Nazi fascist prick.

    I am also an anarcho communist.

    If you can make sense of that you win an e-cookie.
    You want your own nice Nazi fascist community in a larger anarcho communist world.
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    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post


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