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    Just felt like putting something that has been on my mind for a while. It's unfinished and something very general, but I'm thirsty as hell right now:











    What do you think?

    P.S. And yeah, it is exaggerated to make the point.
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    The funny thing is: you can only exaggerate with those properties which are just weak indication of a type rather than the prerequisite thereof.

    I like the IP section the most.
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    hey, this is cool.

    i see myself the most in the IP photos, but i don't actually see myself so i'm not sure how i actually look. but i do the leg crossing hunched shoulders thing a lot.

    the posture in the EJ photos is the most attractive to me. it looks confident or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ll
    the posture in the EJ photos is the most attractive to me.
    Not to mention the hair...


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    cool Timeless, i like this.
    Ditto, Timeless.

    It'd be interesting to see if "posture" alone would be enough to sort these guys (i.e. crop their heads off and try VI-ing again).

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    cool Timeless, i like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    the posture in the EJ photos is the most attractive to me. it looks confident or something.
    haha, i like the EPs the best. to me they look confident and able without being rigid. they look simultaneously "yeah, whatever" while also still ready to mobilize.

    the IJs and EJs look too uptight to me. the EJs also somehow look demanding, even.

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    Great thread.

    The IJs are interesting. They look quiet but ready to act, as if they are in a state of readiness despite being low key.

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    All the EP types are literally laid-back like "Shhyeah, whatever. This one time..." and then all the IP types are all leaning forward like "Really? No way!" and getting sucked into all that personal magnetism.
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    IPs are hot as fuck, s'all.

    Quote Originally Posted by CILi View Post
    Not to mention the hair...

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    I look the most like EP #1. Who btw, kinda VI's like a Delta ST, Timothy Hutton subtype. At least in that pic.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Interesting idea

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    I agree with these to the extent to which I imagine they should be used. I fit IP well, but maybe some other temperaments will also fit IP well. I'm sometimes like the EP one too.

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    nice job timeless. i agree....these body language fotos are on the money.

    i like how EP's slouch...i'm always slouching.

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    Lol, I really like the Ep ones. Can relate to them at least. Im mostly like Ep #3 (although #2 is close too).
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    EP is the awesomest temperament on the planet.

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    The way I see it:

    IP: Energy is more inward focused.
    Objective description: State of casualness.
    Subjective description: Lazy-looking pussies.

    EP: Energy is more outward focused.
    Objective description: State of adaptability.
    Subjective description: Detached-looking bitches.

    IJ: Energy is more inward focused.
    Objective description: State of stability.
    Subjective description: Stiff-looking fuckers.

    EJ: Energy is more outward focused.
    Objective description: State of mobilization.
    Subjective description: Stubborn-looking assholes.


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    Cool. I knew an ESI who used to sit exactly like the guy in that first pic. LOL!

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    Coolest person in thread, save Timeless.


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    Steve Jobs fascinates me.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    I've always wondered how large his wardrobe is.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CILi View Post
    Not to mention the hair...


    lol, i do kinda wish i could touch it, it looks soft...

    ...but no. although the outdoor computer guy is kinda cute.

    Quote Originally Posted by CILi View Post
    Ditto, Timeless.

    It'd be interesting to see if "posture" alone would be enough to sort these guys (i.e. crop their heads off and try VI-ing again).
    i really like this idea.

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    idk, I'm hesitant to categorizing temperament in pictures since it's more of a behavioral observation; videos would be more descriptive
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    That's interesting, it seems as you could actually make out a trend. There is a physical and movement description included in most type profiles, so I guess the socionists pay definitely some heed on that.

    We recently had to make a short speech in front of the course to practice our english skills. Our professor did not only observe our choice of words and how fluently we spoke, he also looked at the way we gesticulate and presentate. According to him, I have a 'military-like' stance with both arms behind my body, I don't move much and speak in a very clear, understandable, but also slightly monotone voice. He said I'd have to do more if I want to 'sell' anything to a client. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    We recently had to make a short speech in front of the course to practice our english skills. Our professor did not only observe our choice of words and how fluently we spoke, he also looked at the way we gesticulate and presentate. According to him, I have a 'military-like' stance with both arms behind my body, I don't move much and speak in a very clear, understandable, but also slightly monotone voice. He said I'd have to do more if I want to 'sell' anything to a client. :wink:
    Its not only selling though, capturing audience with a monotone voice is hard as well ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ssmall View Post
    Its not only selling though, capturing audience with a monotone voice is hard as well ..
    Haha sure, I can understand that. But I'm no entertainer. They either listen and understand, or they don't get what I want to say. I know it would be better to capture their interest, especially if I want to persuade someone that my idea is good. However, I prefer this rather than playing a role and appearing artificial.
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    isn't that the flashdance chick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CILi View Post
    It'd be interesting to see if "posture" alone would be enough to sort these guys (i.e. crop their heads off and try VI-ing again).
    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    i really like this idea.
    You mean like this?



    Looks like an EJ to me.



    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    isn't that the flashdance chick?
    Si, si.


    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    idk, I'm hesitant to categorizing temperament in pictures since it's more of a behavioral observation; videos would be more descriptive
    I could do the same with videos, and I think the same results would come out of it. The thing is, I like to look at the pictures as general "overall" vibes. Obviously, it's not like every IP is going to walk with their arms drooped down, or every IJ is going to be a walking statue. It's like stereotypes, not all a real or true, but they're based off patterns.

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    great idea, great topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless View Post
    I could do the same with videos, and I think the same results would come out of it. The thing is, I like to look at the pictures as general "overall" vibes. Obviously, it's not like every IP is going to walk with their arms drooped down, or every IJ is going to be a walking statue. It's like stereotypes, not all a real or true, but they're based off patterns.
    i think theres validity in pointing out that one static image isnt going to really determine type, but what you said is pretty consistent with how i see it. i wouldnt think that the people in the photos were even necessarily of the temperament that they were placed into - the one photo isnt nearly enough to say - but if you kind of intuitively extrapolate the "vibe" presented in the collection of photos i think it captures something about each temperament. it isnt exactly scientific or well-defined, but eh, i dont think socionis is, either.

    basically, i agree with what poli said before - i think this is cool if taken for what it should mean and nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laghlagh View Post
    basically, i agree with what poli said before - i think this is cool if taken for what it should mean and nothing more.
    Yea basically, I'm taking a class in measurement and instrumentation, and one of the things that is emphasized is that a metric is never perfect, its always limited by the tool used to measure it, which has certain behaviors and limitations (accuracy, resolution, operating range, precision etc).

    This seems to be the same idea, a tool is presented here, and it provides a valid metric, but its not an absolute metric, no metric is absolute, it has its practical limitations.

    Personally I find this concept and especially its presentation very appealing, certain libraries of photos like these could be compiled and provide a basis for visual identification.

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    Yeah. I like it. The EPs and IPs is what I mostly can dig, especially the lacksidacial nature of those pictures. The previous poster hit it dead on the head, though. Its best to measure what you observe from this lil study no further than a sort of guide for visually identifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless View Post

    IP:
    Both poses remind me very much of myself, just cut the face out and add mine, especially in the right picture (I actually see quite a lot similarities in our appearance and face expression). Could they be ILIs?
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    Another thought came to mind:

    After seeing all those temperaments in picture form, can you imagine any of those IPs behaving in an EJ manner? Or IJs behaving in a EP manner? I don't mean as in acting or temporarily displaying the behavior, anyone can do that. I mean as a natural state? Personally, I can't. It's a vibe thing that I can't really explain at the moment.


    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    Both poses remind me very much of myself, just cut the face out and add mine, especially in the right picture (I actually see quite a lot similarities in our appearance and face expression). Could they be ILIs?
    I bet so. I heard that actor on the right supposedly is an INTp.

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    Yeah, very similar indeed.

     
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless View Post
    Too fun

    First girl, photo impression is SLE or SEE
    Olivia Munn - IEE seems kinda likely
    That other girl I didn't quote I got an impression I didn't like, prob because she seems kind of pensive or not into people, she'd be a pretty bad SF if she's always like that. Reminds me of someone I've known in an Alpha crowd, so ILE. I'm just lightly guessing, I wouldn't claim that at all for sure. (she's similar to the guy in the 3rd pic)

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    Some of the IJs just look bizarre. I'm not sure some of those would be typical posture. Especially the first two men.

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    Relate to these the most, generally. IP if I'm feeling particularly low-energy/tired.

    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless View Post


    IJ:



    EJ:



    What do you think?

    P.S. And yeah, it is exaggerated to make the point.
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    When you're sitting on a chair, what do you do with your feet? Flat on the ground or perched up on the toes?

    DOES ANY OF THIS MEAN ANYTHING AT ALL???

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza View Post
    When you're sitting on a chair, what do you do with your feet? Flat on the ground or perched up on the toes?

    DOES ANY OF THIS MEAN ANYTHING AT ALL???

    Hey thats interesting, my feet are mostly off the ground when sitting. I often sit cross legged or with one foot or both feet on tiptoes. I say it's interesting because my therapist kept asking me to place my feet firmly on the ground. She will always state a connection between that and being in a mental space slightly out of reality. She walks me though it, It makes a lot of sense. I think she is ENFj.

    Now this is a story all about how, my type got changed, turned upside down. Just wait for a minute and watch chatbox right there, & I'll tell how Gem became the moderator with blue hair.

    In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.

    When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.

    So Gem pulls up to the forum for a year without being a hater, And yells to typocentral 'Yo creeps! Smell Ya later', Became a mod in her kingdom she was finally there, To sit on her throne as the mod with blue hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geminatronix View Post
    Hey thats interesting, my feet are mostly off the ground when sitting. I often sit cross legged or with one foot or both feet on tiptoes. I say it's interesting because my therapist kept asking me to place my feet firmly on the ground. She will always state a connection between that and being in a mental space slightly out of reality. She walks me though it, It makes a lot of sense. I think she is ENFj.
    Yeah, that makes sense. Placing your feet firmly on the ground does make you feel more grounded, like you're inhabiting reality more confidently. Didn't know therapists did that.

    I do different things with my feet. Feet planted flat on the ground when I'm confident, on tiptoes when I'm nervous/strained, and resting on the sides when I'm impatient.

    But generally speaking ... hmm. Observations will have to be made.

    Posture is generally Ij > Ip for me, I think. I'm an weird combination of comfortable and incredibly stiff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza View Post
    Yeah, that makes sense. Placing your feet firmly on the ground does make you feel more grounded, like you're inhabiting reality more confidently. Didn't know therapists did that.

    I do different things with my feet. Feet planted flat on the ground when I'm confident, on tiptoes when I'm nervous/strained, and resting on the sides when I'm impatient.

    But generally speaking ... hmm. Observations will have to be made.

    Posture is generally Ij > Ip for me, I think. I'm an weird combination of comfortable and incredibly stiff.

    Yes she's a bit different my therapist. She also asks me if i would mind sitting back on the sofa as sometimes I am perched on the edge ready to take flight and she will point out the very close alliance this has with reality. She makes a lot of observations like this and communicates them to me which is very interesting.

    Your comments make sense in general senza... I think I may also do simiar things (feet planted when confident etc) I just wonder how much of this is display and how much is natural. So I suppose we go with the 'natural' state or most common/comfortable?

    From an outside perspective I can see you being similar to these two suggested IP poses...


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    IP:

    Now this is a story all about how, my type got changed, turned upside down. Just wait for a minute and watch chatbox right there, & I'll tell how Gem became the moderator with blue hair.

    In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.

    When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.

    So Gem pulls up to the forum for a year without being a hater, And yells to typocentral 'Yo creeps! Smell Ya later', Became a mod in her kingdom she was finally there, To sit on her throne as the mod with blue hair.

    InvisibruJim

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