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    I am interested in exploring how accurate very brief descriptions by people with no experience in socionics can be.

    So in the same spirit of my thread on a description by Queen Victoria, here is a very brief description of a very major figure of 20th century history, by someone who knew him very closely.

    He takes everything personally -- He wants to teach others, but learns unwillingly himself -- He loves glory and is ambitious and jealous. In order to get him to accept an idea, you must act as though the idea was his. You must make everything easy for him. He readily encourages others to take bold steps but throws them overboard if they fail. Never forget that he needs praise -- he is as grateful for it as a good and clever child.
    Does that suggest any particular type?
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    It does suggest a type to me; alas, that type is not a socionics type.

    Oh, and it would be "major asshole"

    ESFp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emeye
    Oh, and it would be "major asshole"
    Could well be. I'm not saying that that figure is a particularly healthy representative of any particular type.

    Let's see whether there are further opinions, then I'll say who it is.
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    Default Re: Another brief non-socionics description of a major figur

    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    I am interested in exploring how accurate very brief descriptions by people with no experience in socionics can be.

    So in the same spirit of my thread on a description by Queen Victoria, here is a very brief description of a very major figure of 20th century history, by someone who knew him very closely.

    He takes everything personally -- He wants to teach others, but learns unwillingly himself -- He loves glory and is ambitious and jealous. In order to get him to accept an idea, you must act as though the idea was his. You must make everything easy for him. He readily encourages others to take bold steps but throws them overboard if they fail. Never forget that he needs praise -- he is as grateful for it as a good and clever child.
    Does that suggest any particular type?
    I got this feeling after the first sentence that this is about Ghandi...

    It sounds more like an accentuated personality type than a socionic type.

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    No, it's not Ghandi --

    What is an accentuated personality type?

    Somebody else wrote this about the same guy:

    a rascally young fop who throws his weight around, thinks too much of himself, and fancies that others worship him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    No, it's not Ghandi --

    What is an accentuated personality type?
    I meant a personality accentuation, actually -- basically a common personality trait taken to an extreme.

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    ESTp, but one of the obnoxious minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleesha
    ESTp, but one of the obnoxious minority.
    Ok, so two for -dominant, as well as asshole and obnoxious.
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    Ok, the person described in those quotations is Kaiser Wilhelm II, the last German Emperor.

    The first quote is by one of his close friends, the second, by Tsar Alexander III.

    I think ESTp has to do as his type, but that obviously does not mean that his behavior was typical of that type in its extremes.
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    Hah, type Ludwig II, ruler absolute of North Austria, if you dare

    My typing of him is notoriously crazy as a toon, but that again is no socionics type.

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    Do you mean King Ludwig II of Bavaria (not Austria)? He xas no absolute monarch, although he had such illusions on occasion.

    I think he was INFp.
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    Yes, I meant him--I did write North Austria

    That was intended to annoy the Bavarians, who refer to Austria as Südbayern

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    Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.

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    Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.

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    Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.

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    ENTJ?
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    Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.

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    I think he is ENFP>
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    I've already typed him as a not-very-balanced ESTp.
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    ESTp methinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat
    I've already typed him as a not-very-balanced ESTp.
    His mother was ESTP I think. Plus Bismark was ESTP I think. Hisrelations with them were not very fullifilling I think.
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    I agree about Bismarck as ESTp; as for the Kaiser's mother, I don't know. I'd guess ISFj.

    As for Kaiser Wilhelm II and Bismarck not having a good relationship -- well, they both wanted the same thing, control over the government of Germany. Two ESTps fighting over the same thing can't get along.
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    If kristiina's theory about the forehead lines is accurate, he'd be a static type.
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