Results 1 to 27 of 27

Thread: (136)type discriptions written about types, by types

  1. #1

    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    289
    Mentioned
    29 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default (136)type discriptions written about types, by types

    .
    Last edited by Vois; 06-06-2014 at 06:40 AM.
    .

  2. #2
    Trevor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    2,860
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    16 times 16 equals 256.

  3. #3
    Haikus
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    8,337
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Maybe this will make you feel better: In 1728, the philosopher Voltaire got rich by outsmarting the lottery. When the French government accidentally created a raffle where the prize money was significantly larger than the cost of all the tickets combined, Voltaire and his friend formed a syndicate, bought all the tickets, and won.

  4. #4
    Coldest of the Socion EyeSeeCold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Holy Temple of St. Augusta
    Posts
    3,693
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Even with 16 different types writing for another type, ESE would still get bashed by 14.

  5. #5
    Slippery when wet Simon Ssmall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    ✈ ↺
    Posts
    2,231
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    Even with 16 different types writing for another type, ESE would still get bashed by 14.
    Nah most of the hate goes to LSI and Hitler.
    Looking for an Archnemesis. Willing applicants contact via PM.

    ENFp - Fi 7w6 sp/sx
    The Ineffable IEI
    The Einstein ENTp

    johari nohari
    http://www.mypersonality.info/ssmall/

  6. #6
    Azeroffs's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    California
    TIM
    ENTj 3w4 sp/sx
    Posts
    2,216
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    A description written by the type being described could just as easily be biased as the same description written by another type. I usually feel unqualified to describe the type I subscribe to because I may be too personally involved, and I don't see why any type would be particularly better at describing some types over others.

    More descriptions and more perspectives couldn't hurt though. probably.
    3w4-5w6-9w8

  7. #7
    Inception Mastermind KeroZen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Paris, France
    TIM
    infecting u with Fe
    Posts
    387
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    No this makes a lot more sense that what you think.

    Just read the summary about this very recent 2006 study:

    Notes on "The Semantics of the Information Elements"

    Type descriptions should be written by members of the same quadra otherwise they won't use the proper vocabulary, style, imagery, metaphors and focus.

    Don't need to have them written by types using other function polarities because someone reading the type description and being of that particular type will find them lacking or irrelevant.

    I support original poster's view a lot.
    "Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individualís conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.
    At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions."

    C. G. Jung


    -----
    Know your body, know your mind, know your limits.

  8. #8
    Inception Mastermind KeroZen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Paris, France
    TIM
    infecting u with Fe
    Posts
    387
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I do agree though that it's surely harder to describe one's own type than others...and we'll face problems because NT and NF types are over represented online and tend (generalization) to focus on these theories more.
    "Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individualís conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.
    At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions."

    C. G. Jung


    -----
    Know your body, know your mind, know your limits.

  9. #9
    Creepy-male

    Default

    There's also the problem that many types are not inclined to writing descriptions of other types.

    EDIT

    But if it's in-quadra, the theory is at least clear enough to write reasonably-structured descriptions of the types, I guess.

  10. #10
    Trevor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    2,860
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Socionics types can't write descriptions.

  11. #11
    Inception Mastermind KeroZen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Paris, France
    TIM
    infecting u with Fe
    Posts
    387
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Thanks Arthur:

    Yeah I didn't dare saying it in this way, because I still have some hope it's not true, but yes...many people just don't care and it seems some types are more likely to be less interested...but thankfully there always are exceptions to confirm the rule!

    And in fact I was pleased to see so many different types represented here. I was a bit afraid it would be only the traditional INxx wrestling pit as seen elsewhere online...
    "Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individualís conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.
    At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions."

    C. G. Jung


    -----
    Know your body, know your mind, know your limits.

  12. #12
    Creepy-male

    Default

    It's not a matter of not caring. I mean, take me (and I assume most other SEIs): I have a really difficult time boiling people down into lists of traits and stuff. Socionics-wise this is probably due to weak Ne.

  13. #13
    Inception Mastermind KeroZen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Paris, France
    TIM
    infecting u with Fe
    Posts
    387
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Hm but if it's a collaborative effort we could put our skills in common. Some persons could do what they are best at and others would handle other parts they master more...

    I for instance, am not skilled enough with English language to write them down but I could assist in the brainstorming and task repartition aspects (example, I don't want to steal the lion's part lol I'm sure ILI's and LII's will want to take part to the reflection too!)

    If we can settle on what should be written, then other people would just have to follow the recipe...
    "Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individualís conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.
    At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions."

    C. G. Jung


    -----
    Know your body, know your mind, know your limits.

  14. #14
    Marie84's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    TIM
    EII
    Posts
    2,359
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    More descriptions and more perspectives couldn't hurt though. probably.

    I personally like seeing how different sides view things, it makes it easier to get a more realistic perspective on things

    We all have biases and they're going to spill out no matter what, but that's a great opportunity into learning about human behavior in itself
    EII INFj
    Forum status: retired

  15. #15
    Jarno's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Netherlands
    TIM
    ILI-Te
    Posts
    5,375
    Mentioned
    30 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    Even with 16 different types writing for another type, ESE would still get bashed by 14.
    hehe

  16. #16
    Azeroffs's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    California
    TIM
    ENTj 3w4 sp/sx
    Posts
    2,216
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by KeroZen View Post
    Type descriptions should be written by members of the same quadra otherwise they won't use the proper vocabulary, style, imagery, metaphors and focus.
    Whenever you take a sample from a select group, you have bias. Intra-quadra descriptions would just give you how your type is seen in a good way. You're not representing 75% of the perspectives out there.
    3w4-5w6-9w8

  17. #17
    Inception Mastermind KeroZen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Paris, France
    TIM
    infecting u with Fe
    Posts
    387
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    No no I'm not saying they should be written from scratch, I'm saying they should be worded/phrased by members of the quadra, so as to get the information elements semantics right.

    But actual type description/content should take all points of view into account of course, and could be even compiled by many people of different types.
    "Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individualís conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.
    At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions."

    C. G. Jung


    -----
    Know your body, know your mind, know your limits.

  18. #18
    Azeroffs's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    California
    TIM
    ENTj 3w4 sp/sx
    Posts
    2,216
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    For the sake of those trying to find their type, I suppose it could make some difference.
    3w4-5w6-9w8

  19. #19
    Inception Mastermind KeroZen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Paris, France
    TIM
    infecting u with Fe
    Posts
    387
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I don't know to what extent does the study translate to English language though...

    They say for instance, for speech peculiarities of Ni persons:

    "water-related metaphors and expressions"

    For Ne persons:

    "air and flight-related images, metaphors, and expressions"

    For Si persons:

    "imagery from the world of flora and fauna"

    For Se persons:

    "metaphors based on physical impact"

    For Ti persons:

    "use of "geometrical" language in figurative meanings"

    For Te persons:

    "mechanical" similies and metaphors"

    For Fi persons:

    "metaphors related to "links""

    For Fe persons:

    "frequent use of emotionally charged adjectives" (but no specific metaphors as they seem to master many other subtle aspects of speech)
    -----------------

    Quick poll, who agrees?
    Last edited by KeroZen; 11-23-2010 at 07:14 PM. Reason: forgot a part
    "Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individualís conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.
    At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions."

    C. G. Jung


    -----
    Know your body, know your mind, know your limits.

  20. #20
    CILi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    635
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Speaking only for English, I can't really remember the last time I heard anyone use anything anywhere close to those.

    Well, except for this, maybe:


    _____________________________________

    More on point, though, I'd think "over-the-top imagery, metaphors, and similies" (in sum) might indicate a particular IE(s), rather than certain variants of them to each one.

  21. #21
    Azeroffs's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    California
    TIM
    ENTj 3w4 sp/sx
    Posts
    2,216
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Africa, North America, Asia, South America, and the Soviet Union
    Why the soviet union? why not Europe or Australia?... or better yet Antarctica?
    3w4-5w6-9w8

  22. #22
    Creepy-male

    Default

    Australia = "Western" culture, so the same as America.
    Antarctica = no native culture at all.

  23. #23
    Azeroffs's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    California
    TIM
    ENTj 3w4 sp/sx
    Posts
    2,216
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Ah, cultures...

    They still could have done Europe.. eastern Europe.. if you say that the soviet union is in eastern europe....
    3w4-5w6-9w8

  24. #24
    CILi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    635
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Including a Russkie chick is pretty progressive in itself, though.

    What's the last time a Soviet was a good guy?* (Or girl?)

    *Outside of Russia.

  25. #25
    Creepy-male

    Default

    Yeah, but everywhere east of western europe, south of russia, north of india, and west of east asia is pretty much a black hole in most people's awareness, I would think.

    Russians, South Americans, Africans, Asians and Americans are all really easily recognisable and don't take the focus away from the environmentalist message, while obviously maintaining the "We're all in this together!" multiculturalist view.

    If you threw some Kazakh in, I think a lot of viewers would've been

  26. #26
    Breaking stereotypes Suz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    On a chatbox diet
    TIM
    IDK
    Posts
    6,470
    Mentioned
    169 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Vois, I think it's an excellent idea! I had the same exact idea a couple months ago and people made fun of my Ne going "out of control"
    Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx

  27. #27
    Inception Mastermind KeroZen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Paris, France
    TIM
    infecting u with Fe
    Posts
    387
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I agree on the idea "on paper" but I've been told motivation for serious work is very low on this forum...

    I'm nonetheless willing to help, to the extent of what I'm able to, of course...
    "Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individualís conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.
    At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions."

    C. G. Jung


    -----
    Know your body, know your mind, know your limits.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •