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    IEI-Fe or IEI-Ni?

    EIE-Fe or EIE-Ni?

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    I believe that the Fe-subtype would generally be considered to "use more Se," simply because one may think of the complementary functions as such opposite approaches to the object that to strengthen one is to weaken the other (although that flattens it out, time-wise). But things like use of non-ego functions are idiosyncratic and individual, and really "use" is a sort of weak metaphor for how one interacts with functions both inside and outside of one's own psyche (I avoid the word 'ego' intentionally to reduce confusion), and so generalities of that kind are even less accurate than other generalities (in general *rimshot*).
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Fe subtypes, I'd say.

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    IEI-Fe or IEI-Ni?

    EIE-Fe or EIE-Ni?
    IEI-Fe and EIE-Ni.

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    Who uses more Se?

    Perhaps those who thrive in the porn industry
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Who uses more Se?

    Perhaps those who thrive in the porn industry
    lol a few weeks ago my SLE got an offer to do porn. They must have sensed his Se.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    lol a few weeks ago my SLE got an offer to do porn. They must have sensed his Se.
    I guess his Se is your Fe Feee FeeeeEEEEEE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    lol a few weeks ago my SLE got an offer to do porn. They must have sensed his Se.
    Good money?

    I was in a bar before where there was a hen party, they told me the stripper hadn't turned up and they offered me 20 quid to take my clothes off. I told them I wouldn't even take my watch off for twenty quid.

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    Both Ni subtypes use more Se I would say because they use Ni more, and Se complements Ni.

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    Ni-suubtypes. Of the two EIE, as Se is its mobilizing.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Ni-suubtypes. Of the two EIE, as Se is its mobilizing.
    Actually for EIE, I beleive Si is the mobilzing whereas SE is the activating. Its a difference of semantics, I know, but I've always thought that the 6th function was what gets you dreaming of activity, whereas the 4th is what you do, or the how the desires of the 6th funtion manifest themselves.

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    I'm pretty sure the PoLR is something people actively despise and don't bother with.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    I'm pretty sure the PoLR is something people actively despise and don't bother with.
    yeah, Ti is EIEs' dualseeking, 5th, function, EIEs do not seek or enjoy Si as it is the PoLR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    Fe subtypes, I'd say.
    I would also say this "extroverted" subtypes. For Fe subtype, it would seem that Fe and possibly Se is strengthened (possibly meaning, its not as possible for the other subtype) The other subtype, Ni and possibly Ti is strengthened. These are correlative to the idea and fact illustrating that idea, however, that subtype is mainly about the ego functions. In the case of duality, I would expect a creative subtype pair just as apt, like a mirror of the dominant subtype pair.

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    Fe-subtypes.. I hold that the stronger the focus on Ni the weaker the focus on Se.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    I'm pretty sure the PoLR is something people actively despise and don't bother with.
    You dont understand. The polr needs expression without external commentary. We all use all the functions, The polr is called the mobilizing by strativeyeska, whereas she calls the sixth the activating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Words View Post
    Good money?

    I was in a bar before where there was a hen party, they told me the stripper hadn't turned up and they offered me 20 quid to take my clothes off. I told them I wouldn't even take my watch off for twenty quid.
    what's quid?

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    an informal term for a single unit of the currency used in the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland.

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    Time to provide my reasoning. Stronger the Ne and Ni = weaker the Se and Si. Ni subtypes = somewhat stronger Ni = somewhat weaker Se. Fe subtypes = weaker Ni = stronger Se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    what's quid?
    an informal term for a single unit of the currency used in the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland.
    i think saying "20 quid" is like saying "20 bucks" here in the US.

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    I would think it was evidently the case that the stronger your Ego block Ni, the weaker your Ego block Se. Similarly, it'd be the same with any other block...the stronger your Id block Ni, the weaker your Id block Se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    I would think it was evidently the case that the stronger your Ego block Ni, the weaker your Ego block Se. Similarly, it'd be the same with any other block...the stronger your Id block Ni, the weaker your Id block Se.
    But this isnt about which one is weaker its about which one is used more. I agree with you in that statement, but I think the more you use Ni the more you use a weaker form of Se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    But this isnt about which one is weaker its about which one is used more. I agree with you in that statement, but I think the more you use Ni the more you use a weaker form of Se.
    But that would be Se from another block though - your SuperEgo. And I suppose if that follows, that would mean that your Ni in that block would also get weaker, comparatively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    But that would be Se from another block though - your SuperEgo. And I suppose if that follows, that would mean that your Ni in that block would also get weaker, comparatively.
    Your superid functions are weak, just as is your superego, the difference is that you accept help to your superid wheears help to your superego is inhibiting. Personally I beleive that an ENFj who is the Fe wubtype has both weaker Te, and Ti, but requests greater Ti. With ENFj Ni they have weaker sensing period, need more Se stimulation and have a worse polr.

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    I don't see how it follows that they have a worse PoLR. If they become less EIE like, then it follows they become less averse to SLI types.

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    Who says they become less EIE like?

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    You, when you said they were an Ni-subtype.

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    Where did I say they become less EIE like? You must have misunderstood something.

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    by it's very nature, I'd have thought a Ni subtype would be away from the typical EIE and more like a IEI.

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    I know thats true for me.

    But thats just because we have an MBTIish image of people of their type being the first subtype. So in appearance you are right, EIE Ni comes off alot more like IEI(I know I do, if you knew me well you would agree), but in terms of their model A it doesnt change their ordering of functions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    by it's very nature, I'd have thought a Ni subtype would be away from the typical EIE and more like a IEI.
    And Fe subtypes would be more like what? If anything?

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    Well, for the sake of this thread, they'd theoretically be away from the general image of an EIE. I did not say that the Fe subtype was the more common variant of EIE, or even that it was the most commonly depicted. I've only been arguing that an EIE who has stronger Ego-block Ni should theoretically be less averse to SLI types than those with weaker Ego-block Ni.

    Fe-subtype EIEs would of course be expected to be more similar to Fe-subtype ESEs than an Ni-subtype EIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    Well, for the sake of this thread, they'd theoretically be away from the general image of an EIE. I did not say that the Fe subtype was the more common variant of EIE, or even that it was the most commonly depicted. I've only been arguing that an EIE who has stronger Ego-block Ni should theoretically be less averse to SLI types than those with weaker Ego-block Ni.

    Fe-subtype EIEs would of course be expected to be more similar to Fe-subtype ESEs than an Ni-subtype EIE.
    I agree with everything you have said here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    Well, for the sake of this thread, they'd theoretically be away from the general image of an EIE. I did not say that the Fe subtype was the more common variant of EIE, or even that it was the most commonly depicted. I've only been arguing that an EIE who has stronger Ego-block Ni should theoretically be less averse to SLI types than those with weaker Ego-block Ni.

    Fe-subtype EIEs would of course be expected to be more similar to Fe-subtype ESEs than an Ni-subtype EIE.
    I agree on the last statement, but not on the one says they would be less SLI averse. BECAUSE their model A ordering of functions does not change, hence they would be no less adverse than the more stereotypical EIE.

    But thats just my opinion we can agree to disagree, lol.

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    Interesting this stuff about being less averse to SLIs depending on the subtype.

    From my personal experience, I have a childhood friend who is stereotypical SLI-Si, and we get along pretty well. He is kinda agressive and psychopath, probably due to strong uncounscious Se. I like his personality.

    On the other hand, I have an SLI-Te uncle whom I can't stand. He is totally boring, not Se at all. Pure Si. Zero emotional expression... And I feel like he is always supervising me, ready to tell me to do something practical (Te) and physical (Si). My SLI-Si friend doesn't bother me at all. He just wants to enjoy the little pleasures, although he sometimes feels threatened by my Fe/Se intensity.

    So, it seems that I'm WAY more open to my Si sub friend cause he uses more Se (me, as Ni sub, receiving well his strong Sensation). Another thing could be that we're both "Perceiving" subtypes, so we communicate mostly through our perceptive functions: Si, Se, Ni, Ne.

    He is very goofy, uses a lot of suggestive Ne, which I think is hilarious combined with creative Te -> harsh communication.

    Gulenko says that Duality isn't always a good match. To him, Supervision and even Conflict relationships are well-suited and interesting for self-development and connection between different Quadras.

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    Isfj and istj....(I dislike most isfj)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Isfj and istj....(I dislike most isfj)
    And that's fine, dear, but what does that have to do with the thread? I think this is about IEI-Fe and EIE-Ni, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olly From Wally World View Post
    And that's fine, dear, but what does that have to do with the thread? I think this is about IEI-Fe and EIE-Ni, no?
    Nothing. I'm still thinking about it. I presume it would be EIE Ni because Fe needs more Ti dom

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