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    Please? Just start throwing stuff at me.

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    What sort of stuff?

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    whatever people think would be a good test of Ti...
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    Alright, listen up: Imagine a small lake in which you put some extremely fast-growing seaweed. You put in 1 unit of seaweed and it doubles it's number every day. After 10 days, the seaweed covers the whole sea bed. Now, how many days would it take to cover up the sea bed if you put in 2 units of seaweed at the beginning instead of just 1?

    PS: Don't smoke the seaweed, it won't help you to find the answer.
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    ^ a day less.

    pianosinger, how do you feel about socionics and typologies in general?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    Alright, listen up: Imagine a small lake in which you put some extremely fast-growing seaweed. You put in 1 unit of seaweed and it doubles it's number every day. After 10 days, the seaweed covers the whole sea bed. Now, how many days would it take to cover up the sea bed if you put in 2 units of seaweed at the beginning instead of just 1?

    PS: Don't smoke the seaweed, it won't help you to find the answer.
    sometime during the ninth day, the pond will be full... ?

    okay, so I edited my answer (originally said 8-9 days), but I did so before I saw Aiss's post...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    Alright, listen up: Imagine a small lake in which you put some extremely fast-growing seaweed. You put in 1 unit of seaweed and it doubles it's number every day. After 10 days, the seaweed covers the whole sea bed. Now, how many days would it take to cover up the sea bed if you put in 2 units of seaweed at the beginning instead of just 1?
    5. Should be obvious.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    ^ a day less.

    pianosinger, how do you feel about socionics and typologies in general?
    I've always found personality typologies to be fascinating. If there weren't already some good typology systems out there, I might have been tempted to try creating my own at some point...though thankfully, I don't have to go to all that trouble since the hard work's already been done for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    ^ a day less.
    How can you dare to answer questions which aren't adressed to you? Ahh, I'm so not happy about this.

    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    somewhere between 8 and 9 days...that is, sometime during the eighth day... ?
    The answer is 9 days, as it was said above. It's easy because with 2 units of seaweed, you just got the situation like it would have been at day 2 if you'd insert 1 unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    5. Should be obvious.
    see, you obviously didn't even bother to do the math...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    How can you dare to answer questions which aren't adressed to you? Ahh, I'm so not happy about this.
    well, he didn't manage to ruin it for me, thankfully...



    The answer is 9 days, as it was said above. It's easy because with 2 units of seaweed, you just got the situation like it would have been at day 2 if you'd insert 1 unit.
    And now it's obvious...but, I did it the hard way...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    Alright, listen up: Imagine a small lake in which you put some extremely fast-growing seaweed. You put in 1 unit of seaweed and it doubles it's number every day. After 10 days, the seaweed covers the whole sea bed. Now, how many days would it take to cover up the sea bed if you put in 2 units of seaweed at the beginning instead of just 1?

    PS: Don't smoke the seaweed, it won't help you to find the answer.
    lol any type is capable of solving word problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    lol any type is capable of solving word problems
    yes, but it's how one goes about solving it that matters...I had to labor with the math, but there was a much quicker way to solve the answer that I did not see...also, there's Aleksei's way, which was to not spend any time at all thinking about it, and just spouting off the first (wrong) answer that came to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    ...but, I did it the hard way...
    I told you not to smoke it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    lol any type is capable of solving word problems
    I didn't say otherwise. :wink:
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    I was not wrong. Let's look at that exercise again:

    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    Alright, listen up: Imagine a small lake in which you put some extremely fast-growing seaweed. You put in 1 unit of seaweed and it doubles it's number every day. After 10 days, the seaweed covers the whole sea bed. Now, how many days would it take to cover up the sea bed if you put in 2 units of seaweed at the beginning instead of just 1?
    Bolded is the key word: Doubles. If it doubles, then you have a constant exponential progression by day 91, 2, 4, 8, and so on). If you plant to seaweed instead of one, for every doubling that'd happen for one, it happens again for the other. So you get exactly twice the amount of seabed area covered in the same amount of time, and by definition the whole area covered in half the time.

    Savvy?
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    I was wrong.
    fixed.

    _______day1__day2_day3_day4_day5_day6_day7__day8_d ay9__day10
    1 unit:___1____2_____4___8____16___32____64___128__2 56__512
    2 units:__2____4_____8___16___32___64____128__256__512
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    Um.

    1 unit:

    T0 = 1
    T1 = 2
    T2 = 4
    T3 = 8

    2 units:

    T0 = 2
    T1 = 4
    T2 = 8
    T3 = 16

    etc.

    Whoever stated that you're essentially just starting the GP one day later was exactly on the money.

    Your mistake was assuming doubling the quantity was doubling the ratio between terms (which actually remains unchanged).

    I hope you're following.

    EDIT

    If you want to know where you went wrong verbally:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    If you plant to seaweed instead of one, for every doubling that'd happen for one, it happens again for the other.
    This is no different from the initial case with starting quantity 1 unit of seaweed. What you're saying here is that doubling the initial quantity also doubles the rate of the seaweed propagating, which is false.

    Do you understand your mistake now?

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    Here is my question to you Pianosinger:

    If there was a village populated entirely by Delta quadra types, what would some neccessary institutions be? Please make a bulleted list with your explanations for each "institution".
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    D1: 1 seaweed
    D2: 1x2=2 seaweed +1 from the previous day = 3 total seaweed
    D3: 3x2=6 seaweed +3 from the previous day = 9 total seaweed
    D4: 9x2=18 seaweed +9 from the previous day = 27 total seaweed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post
    Here is my question to you Pianosinger:

    If there was a village populated entirely by Delta quadra types, what would some neccessary institutions be? Please make a bulleted list with your explanations for each "institution".
    Haha...well, I asked for it...

    *Leadership. Probably run by the ESTj's, or some other strong D-subtypes.
    *Activity planners. Probably run by a co-op of ENFp's and ISTp's.
    *Relationship counselors/Matchmakers (not just romantic, but in all relationship spheres). Run by the INFj's, and maybe some ENFp's.
    *Teachers. All four types, depending on the subjects being taught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post
    Here is my question to you Pianosinger:

    If there was a village populated entirely by Delta quadra types, what would some neccessary institutions be? Please make a bulleted list with your explanations for each "institution".
    LOL - good one.

    @Pianosinger: Find all socionic relations that commute with every other socionic relation. Example: my activator's dual is my dual's activator, so activator and dual commute.

    Another one, adapted from Rick: Identify a common misconception about socionics, and explain why it is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    Please? Just start throwing stuff at me.

    Thanks.


    *Throws a chair at you*

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    D1: 1 seaweed
    D2: 1x2=2 seaweed +1 from the previous day = 3 total seaweed
    D3: 3x2=6 seaweed +3 from the previous day = 9 total seaweed
    D4: 9x2=18 seaweed +9 from the previous day = 27 total seaweed

    And so forth.
    Please tell me you aren't serious. I can appreciate it as fine-tuned humour, but no PoLR is an adequate excuse for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    D1: 1 seaweed
    D2: 1x2=2 seaweed +1 from the previous day = 3 total seaweed
    Uhh, yeah. Well, as Aiss said, it's not right. You don't have to do this addition, because you already got the previous seaweed within your doubled amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    whatever people think would be a good test of Ti...
    there is none.

    just comparison to other Ti types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    fixed.

    _______day1__day2_day3_day4_day5_day6_day7__day8_d ay9__day10
    1 unit:___1____2_____4___8____16___32____64___128__2 56__512
    2 units:__2____4_____8___16___32___64____128__256__512
    Okay, now I feel stupid.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Okay, now I feel stupid.
    Everyone is wrong sometimes, don't worry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    there is none.

    just comparison to other Ti types.
    You're basically saying there is no objectivity in socionics. Out, heathen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    Please tell me you aren't serious. I can appreciate it as fine-tuned humour, but no PoLR is an adequate excuse for that.
    No, that was seriously the way I interpreted the problem when I was solving it *ducks* Of course I see my mistake now, but...if I can't blame it on PoLR, can I blame it on distracted mommy brain?.....

    Interestingly enough, I still managed to come up with roughly the same answer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    No, that was seriously the way I interpreted the problem when I was solving it *ducks* Of course I see my mistake now, but...if I can't blame it on PoLR, can I blame it on distracted mommy brain?.....

    Interestingly enough, I still managed to come up with roughly the same answer...
    That's because 3 is roughly equal to 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    That's because 3 is roughly equal to 2.
    yeah I guess so...so, I was actually tripling the number each time instead of doubling...oops
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    yeah I guess so...so, I was actually tripling the number each time instead of doubling...oops
    No, you didn't triple it, you actually did it right in this matter. The mistake was that you added the previous amount to that you got from your doubling.

    You:
    1.) 1x2=2+1=3
    2.) 3x2=6+3=9 ect.

    the right way:
    1.) 1x2=2
    2.) 2x2=4 ect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    No, you didn't triple it, you actually did it right in this matter. The mistake was that you added the previous amount to that you got from your doubling.

    You:
    1.) 1x2=2+1=3
    2.) 3x2=6+3=9 ect.

    the right way:
    1.) 1x2=2
    2.) 2x2=4 ect.
    which is the same as tripling it

    n + 2n = 3n

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    ...which works out to tripling it

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    ITT: the maths geeks converge in an unholy plague of numbers and reasoning.

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    plague?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    plague?
    Poetic licence

    I just had images of like this swarm of locusts, only made out of miniscule platonic solids, formulae, and strange flickering straight lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    which is the same as tripling it

    n + 2n = 3n
    Quote Originally Posted by Thanks Arthur View Post
    ...which works out to tripling it
    lol, seriously. I'm an idiot. Remember what I said about being wrong? It's true.

    Well, that's why I'm not Ti-leading. I'm not even valuing it.
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    Nah, it's maths.

    One of two possibilities:

    Mistakes are more obvious because they're unambiguously wrong.
    It's easier to make those mistakes in the first place because maths is mentally taxing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    lol, seriously. I'm an idiot. Remember what I said about being wrong? It's true.

    Well, that's why I'm not Ti-leading. I'm not even valuing it.
    Yeah, go do some biology

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