View Poll Results: Which nominees are not good representatives of the SLI type?

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  • Chuck Norris

    11 64.71%
  • Red Green

    8 47.06%
  • Paul Simon

    9 52.94%
  • Steve McQueen

    6 35.29%
  • David Letterman

    11 64.71%
  • Thomas Edison

    11 64.71%
  • Jennifer Connelly

    7 41.18%
  • Dave Grohl

    8 47.06%
  • Stephen Colbert

    11 64.71%
  • Will Arnett

    9 52.94%
  • Martha Stewart

    9 52.94%
  • Alfred Pennyworth

    7 41.18%
  • Joseph Campbell

    8 47.06%
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Thread: New Type Reps for SLI -- Round 1

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    Default New Type Reps. for SLI -- Round 1

    If you've not done so, please read this thread first.

    In this poll, please select all the nominees that you think are not fit to represent the SLI type. This would include nominees that you don't think are SLI, as well as nominees that you agree are SLI, but you don't think are good representatives of the type for one reason or another.
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    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov

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    I've heard of two of these people. We can't have a nobody represent a type. That defeats the purpose.

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I've heard of two of these people.
    You're shitting me...
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    You're shitting me...
    I guess that's three. I know about Chuck Norris and Thomas Edison. I've heard of Martha Stewart, but I don't know who she is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    OMG well we can't be basing things on Abbie's sheltered existence.

    Come on, EVERYBODY knows who Martha Stewart is!!

    I haven't heard of a couple peopl in the list (the Campbell guy and 1-2 others) but actually this is not a bad list at all imo!!

    (Though my understanding was Martha Steward is LSE, but hey delta ST could be a close call).
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    I couldn't say it's exactly a "good" list as such... I can think of four people in that list (Letterman, Colbert, Edison and Norris) who don't seem Delta ST at all. But it's not as horrible as the LSE one.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

    -Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    I couldn't say it's exactly a "good" list as such... I can think of four people in that list (Letterman, Colbert, Edison and Norris) who don't seem Delta ST at all. But it's not as horrible as the LSE one.
    I and a bunch of people here disagree with you on those 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    OMG well we can't be basing things on Abbie's sheltered existence.

    Come on, EVERYBODY knows who Martha Stewart is!!

    I haven't heard of a couple peopl in the list (the Campbell guy and 1-2 others) but actually this is not a bad list at all imo!!

    (Though my understanding was Martha Steward is LSE, but hey delta ST could be a close call).
    I know she ended up in prison for fraud or some such, and I suspect I know more about her than most people in my country...but erm, I wouldn't say I knew who she was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    I know she ended up in prison for fraud or some such, and I suspect I know more about her than most people in my country...but erm, I wouldn't say I knew who she was.
    OK everybody in the US. Abbie's in the US!!!
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    wtf I thought everybody thought Chuck Norris was ISTp

    I know nothing about Red Green, but he looks kinda ENFj on google lol
    Steve McQueen strikes me as a possible ESFp?
    Dave Grohl is probably Ne-ENTp
    Martha Stewart is pretty Ej.

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    I voted against Chuck Norris because I didn't think he'd be a good person to have...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    OK everybody in the US.
    Her idiocy reaches far beyond US, believe me.
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    Mel Gibson, David Cameron

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    I thought Mel Gibson was LSE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    I thought Mel Gibson was LSE?
    Ha, could be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    Her idiocy reaches far beyond US, believe me.
    Oh well it looks like people outside the US really only know her for her conviction and jail time, but in the US, Martha Stewart really is an icon of homemaking. So much so that she is still highly successful after having served her time. (and I suspect she didn't realize she was breaking the law when she did what she did--I think a lot of people believe that). She is a stickler for perfection--she did have a history of being really demanding of her staff and yelling at them for anything less than her high standards (which is more consistent with LSE). Seems like she's softened a bit though, perhaps because of the negative publicity about that when she was in trouble.
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    I suspect Mel Gibson wouldn't be a good person to have as a representative for any type. If he was historical and more noteworthy and representative of whatever his type is, then maybe .

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    Oh well it looks like people outside the US really only know her for her conviction and jail time, but in the US, Martha Stewart really is an icon of homemaking. So much so that she is still highly successful after having served her time. (and I suspect she didn't realize she was breaking the law when she did what she did--I think a lot of people believe that). She is a stickler for perfection--she did have a history of being really demanding of her staff and yelling at them for anything less than her high standards (which is more consistent with LSE). Seems like she's softened a bit though, perhaps because of the negative publicity about that when she was in trouble.
    I'm aware of those facts. My opinion is based solely on the few episodes of her show I happened to see. I think it's all bullshit and constant self-promotion, not a single useful tip as far as I could tell. BTW it isn't just supervision effect, a lot of people were disappointed when it first aired here because they knew of this "icon of homemaking" label.

    Socionically, I don't see anything against LSE. She's clearly logical and probably a rational. I could see either Ej or Ij temperament, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    I suspect Mel Gibson wouldn't be a good person to have as a representative for any type. If he was historical and more noteworthy and representative of whatever his type is, then maybe .
    Agreed wholeheartedly. He is certainly a very unhealthy representation of whatever type he is.
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    I think I've heard of Mel Gibson before...isn't he a movie director?

    I discovered Martha Stewart's existance from a comic strip. I didn't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    Martha Stewart is pretty Ej.


    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I think I've heard of Mel Gibson before...isn't he a movie director?
    srsly?
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    So.. Steve McQueen wins? He kind of encompasses a lot of good and bad sides actually. Not ridiculously badass like Chuck Norris.

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