Biological parents, BTW
Duals
Identicals
Activators
Mirrors
Look alikes
Illusionaries
Supervisor (Father) and supervisee (Mother)
Supervisor (Mother) and supervisee (Father)
Conflictors
Contraries
Quasi identicals
Super egos
Comparatives
Semi duals
Benefactor (Father) and beneficiary (Mother)
Benefactor (Mother) and beneficiary (Father)
Biological parents, BTW
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
Duals (EIE-Fe/LSI-Se).
What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Duals.
And for the record, that's not how I typed them.
Semi-Duals and they show it.
ILI (FINAL ANSWER)
mine are semis also. IEE and SEI.
Duals or conflictors. Leaning duals based on individual analysis, leaning conflictors based on relationship analysis (i.e., they're definitely better off without one another, suppression of "true self" in the relationship--although some people argue that's just what happens in relationships, lol).
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
Si-ESFj dad, Si-ISFp mom
Duality is leading!
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
uh, no. my brother and SIL are duals and they're textbook two sides of the same coin. They wouldn't be THEMSELVES without each other at this point. They're integrated, better because of the other. I don't see how any dual couple truly committed to the relationship could be better off without each other, regardless of subtype or any other kind of details. MAYBE if one or both are extremely unhealthy. Talk to us about your parents, maybe we can figure it out! lol
Bing bing bing!
Except it's not a maybe, and it doesn't have to be extreme levels of unhealthiness. Stressors from outside the relationship can also break things down (say if Chris's parents were experiencing financial hardship or something).
Also, funnily enough, serious differences in values are what tend to drive the "bad" intertype relationships. In Socionics terms these value clashes are related to the assumptions one makes about how the world works and how people interact with and understand it. You can have value clashes outside of Socionics that will interfere with an otherwise positive intertype, making each partner seem incomprehensible to the other.
Assuming I have typed my parents correctly, they would have a superego relation. My mom is EII my dad is LSI. I'm still not entirely sure of my dad's type. The other option would be SLI but in terms of relations, my parents fit the superego description far better than activity.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
I'm happy to see the number of duals.
Mine are illusionaries: IEE (mother) and ILI (father). They were married for 21 years.
Supervision to a "T", mom (ILE) dad (LSI), they're still married
EII INFj
Forum status: retired
duals a big lead
supervision & benefit tied for second
activity and semi dual tied for third
mirror, lookalike, comparative, illusionary coming in fourth
interesting....about 30% are duals 70% non duals. does this explain divorce?
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ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
My stepfather is the only father figure I have had, so he is being listed. My mother is ESE, though I am willing to consider EIE, and my stepfather may well be LSI; so possible semi-/duals. They've been married roughly 17.5 years, and she stays for the kids' sake. She jokes that she can tell PMS has hit when she starts considering murder or divorce. She gets tired of always being wrong, always being at fault, and being treated like she's stupid.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
That doesn't sound like a dual relationship. Given the choices it's most likely she actually is ESE.
What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Why not?
What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Mostly the way she neglects her appearance. She dressed others well but didn't always take the time to do the same for herself. She also gets tired of Dad being too "nice" to people who need to be firmly told "this is how it is". The arguments for Si that I can think of are a sort of short-term view concerning money (she needs to learn to save for upcoming things better) and her tendency to redecorate the main bathroom with the seasons. Some ESE things do fot, and it doesn't seem bad, really; I'm just not 100% set on it.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
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I'm pretty sure there's some - interaction going on there. Not sure what. I heard someone suggest ILE father-SEI mother, once, but my father doesn't seem to have the "expansiveness" of an -base, although it's possible.
aw too bad. two logicals...that's the downfall.My parents are LSI (f) / LIE (m). Had a really terrible relationship, and are now divorced. Don't fall for your illusionary...
the success of illusionary depends quite a bit on the issue of rationality.
how long were your parents married?
also i have seen mirror work, like jarno said between ethicals it works a lot better than between logicals.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
I've only ever typed my parents as either mirror (LSE SLI) or supervision (ESE SLI), but I'm not sure that relationship really describes their dynamic. They separated when I was seven or eight, but neither really dated or even gotten divorced. They've always been good friends. In fact, they still hang out with each other on a pretty much daily basis. I don't know why they split. Maybe they lost trust in each other, maybe they just had too much of each other, or it's some sort of conflict that only happened when they live in the same house (not that I remember anything).
My mom is definitely the dominant one in the relationship. She's pretty energetic, likes to get things done, very talkative. My dad is laidback, seems to have some experience with just about anything that needs to be done, and doesn't say too much. My mom, as fond of exaggeration as she's prone to be, said my dad didn't hardly say a word to her for the first few months they were dating. He's patient, caring, quiet. I've only seen him get angry a few times in my life, mostly about politics. My dad is kind of rigidly ideological. It's not that he has well thought out arguments for his beliefs, if he does he doesn't particularly share them. It's more like an emotional reaction. This is good. This is right. My mom is a lot more pragmatic in that sense. She has her own beliefs but she's more flexible about them. She wants to know why you believe what you do and she'll explain why she does. She's not a fan of inconsistency or hypocrisy. That said, they both have very similar conservative political beliefs.
Actually, I know an SEI-SLE couple and it seems to be pretty much the same relationship. But who knows...
Something like 10-12 years.how long were your parents married?
Hmm, idk. My aunt and uncle are SLI/LSE and they seem to be doing well. I actually don't know about any mirror relations that went terribly wrong.also i have seen mirror work, like jarno said between ethicals it works a lot better than between logicals.
yeah i know a couple like this too she is SLE and he is SEI. they get along pretty good. i haven't seen any bad spots w them yet.Actually, I know an SEI-SLE couple and it seems to be pretty much the same relationship. But who knows...
yes this is the breaking point for a lot of marriages: the tricky years: 7, 11, and around 20.Something like 10-12 years.
i can think of two mirror marriages one is IEE and EII and the other was LII and ILE. the ethical one is fine at 8 years and seems none the worse for the wear. the other one ended at around 5 or 5 years: too much logic.Hmm, idk. My aunt and uncle are SLI/LSE and they seem to be doing well. I actually don't know about any mirror relations that went terribly wrong
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
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esfj/intj text book example of duals.
interesting that there are no identicals. Come to think of it, I don't believe I know ANY identical marriages whatsoever. Anyone else?