In the name of curiosity.
SEI w/ ESI mum.
In the name of curiosity.
SEI w/ ESI mum.
EII, with ESE mother. EIE may be worth considering as well.
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SEI with ESE mom
ILI, ESE mom. I briefly considered other types, but they obviously don't fit.
ILI - ESE....
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An ILI at rest tends to remain at rest
and an ILI in motion is probably not an ILI
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Fidei Defensor
mother: SEI-Fe
me: LII
mr aleksei, you make an interesting point about their might not really being much of a root process. i guess personally i would say the functions are easy to understand in definition, but harder to apply to behavior because we are really trying to simplify overall behavior to cognitive archetypes. that's what you mean though when you say different typologies can explain different things?
but anyway, what do you see Fe leading as in socionics? from my personal experience i would have a hard time typing someone Fe leading if they were naturally argumentative as if in an intellectual competition or openly willing to destroy the mood by insulting people habitually (like with your signature, for example). ive always gotten the sense that Fe leading wants to be in line with the Fi that they observe around them or they feel stressed and out of place within themselves and feel uncertain about how to express themselves. and then Ne leading that is looking for a way to interpret or understand through the Ni it observes. i guess the main question for me is 'is it Ne trying to explain the imagination or Fe trying to affect an overall positive social atmosphere'?
and just so you know where im coming from, i dont really care about convincing you about a type since ive never even met you before and probably never will and can never really know anyway as a result. so it doesnt have to be about being right or wrong or just having different perspectives. we can still entertain each other's perspectives without openly committing to any particular idea of thought. i would greatly enjoy that if you would. i really would like to hear what you think.
Last edited by DividedsGhost; 08-29-2011 at 12:43 PM.
SEI w/ ESE, pretty sure.
LII self, EIE mother.
Johari Box"Alpha Quadra subforum. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious." ~Obi-Wan Kenobi
ILE, EIE mom.
I'm an LII, and my mom is EII.
Quaero Veritas.
ILI w/ SEI mother
EIE-Ni. EIE-Fe mom.
What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
My mother is ESI
My mom is: ISTj ((not sure what that is here))
I am: ESFj
My mom and I get along "most" of the time - but she often calls me manipulative, etc. . .
She doesn't like it when I ask her what she wants me to do specifically and then when she tells me, simply agree and go about doing them -- she thinks I'm too passive. . . but when I do speak up then she calls me rebellious. . .
My mom is a no-win scenario.
Sometimes I wonder if I'm doing anything right. . .
Is this often the case between ESFj's and ISTj's??
Simply curious as to how these relationships usually function -- I don't think I get along with any ISTj's that I know. . .
ISTj is ESFj's semi-dual. They tend to be attracted to each other, but never get along properly because their approach to daily life is very different (in your case, action/Se vs relaxation/Si).
If she considers you rebellious she could be ISFj though (which yields an even worse relationship). Just a thought...
What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
lol at the poll
My moms ILE(Ti) if nobody read about it already
yeah, it's kind of vauge but I was wondering about that too. I'm more inclined to think an LSI would find Ne, and to a point Fi, as manipulative. Maybe if you describe your mom, Yellow, a bit more it might help us to get a better understanding of your intertype
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EII INFj
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What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
SEI with ESE mom.
D-SEI 9w1
This is me and my dual being scientific together
ILE, EIE
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
Maybe my mom is IEE?!
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
My mom is probably IEE. Its the only one that really makes sense. She seems really Ejish which makes me want to think she is an ESFj but I know she really is not very good with Si.
SLI, ESI mom
/ ISTp / SLI / 5w4 / 594 / sp/sx
/ Lunar 12-egram /
My type: EII (Delta NF)
My mother: SEI Si
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
My type: IEI
Mother: IEE
Previously I thought my mother was ESE, then EII, now I'm not so sure. I'm thinking maybe IEE-Fi?
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP