New Type Representatives

[Krig the Viking]

Traditionally, the Russians have assigned names to the types to make them more accessible and understandable, and to provide a sort of "mental picture" of what the type is like. This includes names like Balzac, Zhukov, Gorky, Gabin, etc. This is all well and good, but these names don't exactly strike vivid mental pictures into the minds of English-speakers in the West.

So, we need to come up with our own. Submit your nominations in this thread for characters and people from popular culture to represent each type. After a while, we'll compile the nominations and make a poll to vote on them.

Don't feel obligated to pick someone for each type; just nominate people you feel clearly exemplify their type.

Here are my nominations.

ILE: Doc Brown (Back to the Future)
LII: Spock (Star Trek)
ESE: Bill Cosby
SEI: "The Dude" (The Big Lebowski)

EIE: Martin Luther King Jr.

ESI: Martha Stewart

SLI: Chuck Norris or Red Green (do people know who Red Green is outside of Canada?)

[Creepy-male]

I worry that Doc Brown might be a bit "mad scientist" for ILE.

Similarly, Chuck Norris doesn't really conjure up images of an SLI for me. He's more "that kung-fu action guy who does the roundhouse kicks". Cultural thing perhaps?

Another option for ESE: Jackie Chan.

I like Spock and The Dude.

[Creepy-bg]

mad scientist is perfect for ILE though.

[Creepy-male]

mad scientist is perfect for ILE though.

Sort of. It feels like a shallow stereotype though.

*shrug*

[Words]

Lance Armstrong - LSI
Paul Simon - SLI

[Creepy-bg]

Sort of. It feels like a shallow stereotype though.

*shrug*

well yeah, if that's all it was then you're right. But Doc Brown wasn't necessarily a shallow character, that's just the part of him that stood out at first.

[Creepy-male]

One vote for Larry David as ILE, but I'm not sure if he counts as pop-culture.

[1981slater]

Here are my nominations.

ILE: Doc Brown (Back to the Future)
LII: Spock (Star Trek)
ESE: Bill Cosby
SEI: "The Dude" (The Big Lebowski)

EIE: Martin Luther King Jr.

ESI: Martha Stewart

SLI: Chuck Norris or Red Green (do people know who Red Green is outside of Canada?)

I'll add a few

ILE Dr House, Morpheus (Matrix), Feynman, Groucho, Finch (Just shoot me), Chandler/Ross (Friends), Dr Malcolm (Jurassic Park)
ESE Goku (Dragon Ball)
LII John Kramer (Saw), Grissom (CSI), Michael Scofield, Dr Grant (Jurassic Park)
SEI Barney Gamble

SLE Tyler Durden, Bart Simpson, Mickey (Natural Born killers), Vegeta (Dragon Ball), Clarence (Robocop), Dr Cox (Scrubs)
LSI Smith (Matrix), Taylor (CSI), Moe Scyslak, Piccolo (Dragon Ball)
IEI
EIE Ronald Reagan, Cristiano Ronaldo


LIE Bill Gates, Mr Burns, The Old man/Morton/Jones (Robocop)
ESI Smithers, Ripley (Alien)
SEE Joey (Friends), Al Capone, Berlusconi, Maradona
ILI The Lawyer (Scrubs), Neo (Matrix)


EII Horatio (CSI)
LSE William Wallace
SLI
IEE Johnny Utah, Prince of Bel Air

[Creepy-bg]

One vote for Larry David as ILE, but I'm not sure if he counts as pop-culture.

I'm not against Larry David at all, but is he well known enough?

we should have male and female for each btw. (I'm against Alice for ILE because you would need to specify which Alice, and there isn't total consensus)

[Marie84]

I agree with your (Krig) typings except for Big Lebowski since I've never seen it and so have no opinion on it

SLE- Winston Churchill, Madonna
IEI- Gandhi
SLI- Steve McQueen
IEE- Micheal J. Fox, Ferris Bueller
EII- Prince Myshkin (Dostoevsky's "The Idiot")
ILI- Stanley Kubrick
SEE- Elvis Presley
ESI- Shosanna Dreyfus ("Inglourious Basterds")
LIE- Bill Gates
ILE- Albert Einstein
ESE- Robin Williams

Mr Burns

lol yes, that's a good example of LIE stereotype fo sure

[Creepy-bg]

****** for EIE!

[Creepy-male]

****** for EIE!

+1

[Marie84]

****** for EIE!

[Creepy-male]

For the Aussies: Kevin Rudd is a good EIE. SLI subtype.

Every Australian politician is SLI subtype

[Krig the Viking]

I'm not against Larry David at all, but is he well known enough?

That's a good point -- the character needs to be not only a clear and widely-agreed upon example of the type, but also a widely known character. That's kind of the point here -- the Russian examples aren't widely enough known in English-speaking circles.

we should have male and female for each btw.

I was actually thinking of that. If we get enough nominations of both genders, I'll set the poll up that way.

[Creepy-male]

Female SEI: aunties and grandmas everywhere.

[717495]

Just going with popular and good examples known today. Don't comment if you don't agree with the typings. It's my list. Though if you have a better idea but still agree go ahead.

ENTp - O'Brien, Conan
ISFp - Spears, Britney
ESFj - Hilton, Paris
INTj - Marx, Karl

ESTp - Sinatra, Frank
INFp - Timberlake, Justin
ENFj - Aguilera, Christina
ISTj - Clinton, Hillary

ESFp - West, Kanye
INTp - Hendrix, Jimi
ENTj - Diesel, Vin
ISFj - Obama, Barack

ENFp - Disney, Walt
ISTp - Letterman, David
ESTj - Bush, George W.
INFj - Woods, Tiger

[ashlesha]

SLI: Chuck Norris or Red Green (do people know who Red Green is outside of Canada?)

yes, i love red green for SLI

[Creepy-bg]

Just going with popular and good examples known today. Don't comment if you don't agree with the typings. It's my list. Though if you have a better idea but still agree go ahead.

ENTp - O'Brien, Conan
ISFp - Spears, Britney
ESFj - Hilton, Paris
INTj - Marx, Karl

ESTp - Sinatra, Frank
INFp - Timberlake, Justin
ENFj - Aguilera, Christina
ISTj - Clinton, Hillary

ESFp - West, Kanye
INTp - Hendrix, Jimi
ENTj - Diesel, Vin
ISFj - Obama, Barack

ENFp - Disney, Walt
ISTp - Letterman, David
ESTj - Bush, George W.
INFj - Woods, Tiger

they should be typings that have less than a 10% arguability factor. . also Karl Marx? really? that's popular culture to you?

[Marie84]

they should be typings that have less than a 10% arguability factor.

same, I don't agree with most of those typings but to each his own

[Creepy-bg]

same, I don't agree with most of those typings but to each his own

I think that we can come up with a list that most over one will agree with, if we just work at it.

[Creepy-male]

I think that we can come up with a list that most over one will agree with, if we just work at it.

Perhaps get each quadra to chip in with who best represents their quadra's types? Male and female.

[Marie84]

I think that we can come up with a list that most over one will agree with, if we just work at it.

idk, we have a lot of different approaches to typing here that it might be hard to come to any actual consensus (Model A, Model X, Model B, Reinin, Jung, Smilexian, Maritisian and God knows what else )

[Creepy-bg]

Perhaps get each quadra to chip in with who best represents their quadra's types? Male and female.

yes. great idea.

[Creepy-bg]

idk, we have a lot of different approaches to typing here that it might be hard to come to any actual consensus (Model A, Model X, Model B, Reinin, Jung, Smilexian, Maritisian and God knows what else )

if we were making lists of people for each type, I would agree. But we just need to come up with one male and female for each. and I think that having some threshhold of agreeability will help (since perfect consensus of anything in socionics has been proven to be impossible by this point )

Doc Brown, for instance, is somebody that I would consider settled for the above criteria. (also the Dude )

[Pa3s]

also Karl Marx? really? that's popular culture to you?

Hey, after that economy crisis shit he becomes more and more popular here. :wink:

[Jarno]

****** for EIE!

EIE: Oprah Winfrey and Gordon Ramsey

[Saoshyant]

This seems like it will be a popular thread. Maybe have a poll in each individual quadra forums for each type with like 10 or so names to see is the clear cut choice for that type?

My suggestion that best describes ILI: Demetri Martin

[Saoshyant]

Red Green (do people know who Red Green is outside of Canada?)

No clue

[tereg]

SLI: Chuck Norris or Red Green (do people know who Red Green is outside of Canada?)

Yes I do!

[Trevor]

I think this is not a good idea because every one of those individuals has a bunch of traits that are not even type-related. This has all the potential for spreading some more misconceptions.

[Creepy-bg]

I think this is not a good idea because every one of those individuals has a bunch of traits that are not even type-related. This has all the potential for spreading some more misconceptions.

imo that problem comes from people taking socionics typings too seriously.

[ashlesha]

I think this is not a good idea because every one of those individuals has a bunch of traits that are not even type-related. This has all the potential for spreading some more misconceptions.

isn't this also true for the already existing type representatives? i don't see the difference.

[Creepy-bg]

isn't this also true for the already existing type representatives? i don't see the difference.

[Trevor]

isn't this also true for the already existing type representatives?

It is.

[xerx]

EII: Cinderella
Wicked Step Sisters - Beta.

[Suz]

EII: Cinderella
Wicked Step Sisters - Beta.

agree!!

[Suz]

I also agree with Steve McQueen and Red Green being SLIs (just by VI alone). Never heard of them before, just looked em up.

I'd even venture to say:

Steve McQueen - Te-SLI
Red Green - Si-SLI

By VI anyway. Will have to watch a clip of each at some point.

[pianosinger]

Hasn't it been suggested a few times before that Princess Leia's actress (Carrie-Something, can't remember her last name right now!) is IEE? I like her...

[717495]

Just going with popular and good examples known today. Don't comment if you don't agree with the typings. It's my list. Though if you have a better idea but still agree go ahead.

ENTp - O'Brien, Conan
ISFp - Spears, Britney
ESFj - Hilton, Paris
INTj - Marx, Karl

ESTp - Sinatra, Frank
INFp - Timberlake, Justin
ENFj - Aguilera, Christina
ISTj - Clinton, Hillary

ESFp - West, Kanye
INTp - Hendrix, Jimi
ENTj - Diesel, Vin
ISFj - Obama, Barack

ENFp - Disney, Walt
ISTp - Letterman, David
ESTj - Bush, George W.
INFj - Woods, Tiger

they should be typings that have less than a 10% arguability factor. . also Karl Marx? really? that's popular culture to you?

These are fine examples with no arguablity factor to people who understand Socionics, because they're obvious examples that should lead someone to grasp each type well, which is why I said if you don't agree then there's no reason to tell me. However it might be useful to provide more main examples for each type to make a good comparison. Karl Marx is perhaps the most famous INTj there is, or at least one of them, but if you have a better idea than Marx for the INTj representative then speak it.