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    Recently I was talking with a friend about whether Monty Python's humor was alpha or Gamma...

    Any thoughts, anyone?

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    Clear Alpha humor.
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    I'd like to hear how it could be construed as Gamma humour.

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    Definitely not Gamma that's for sure.
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    Delta Irrational or something. Maybe some ENTp mixed in.

    But the problem with threads like these is that there isn't some convenient magical connection between things like these and a quadra. People of many different quadras were probably involved in creating it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    But the problem with threads like these is that there isn't some convenient magical connection between things like these and a quadra.
    Only because you can't see the magic.
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    I really don't understand how anyone could see Monty Python as anything but pure Alpha. Primarily Alpha Irrational.
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    And that, Krig, is precisely why I am curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanks Arthur View Post
    And that, Krig, is precisely why I am curious.
    Indeed.
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    It's the dry-ness of it. If you're beta and you expect your Fe to be loud and in-your-face, rather than random and... less explicit, I guess, then you can mistake the subdued Fe for non-Fe, i.e., Fi. To put it another way, betas can tell what delta feels like (i.e., opposite of me), but alpha and gamma can sometimes fall into an indistinct mush (i.e., different from me but similar in some ways...?), and I'd imagine its the same for deltas (but backwards).

    Anyway, yes, it's overall very alpha humor, clearly Ne + Fe... but I know some probable gammas who quite enjoy it. Shrug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Anyway, yes, it's overall very alpha humor, clearly Ne + Fe... but I know some probable gammas who quite enjoy it. Shrug.
    Expat claimed that he found Weekend at Bernie's funny despite it being Alpha. I do not see why people across multiple quadras (even opposing ones) can find the same material humorous.
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    I have never really enjoyed Monty Python and I don't find it humorous. Nevertheless, I have to say that Eric Idle has a very good singing voice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    It's the dry-ness of it. If you're beta and you expect your Fe to be loud and in-your-face, rather than random and... less explicit, I guess, then you can mistake the subdued Fe for non-Fe, i.e., Fi. To put it another way, betas can tell what delta feels like (i.e., opposite of me), but alpha and gamma can sometimes fall into an indistinct mush (i.e., different from me but similar in some ways...?), and I'd imagine its the same for deltas (but backwards).

    Anyway, yes, it's overall very alpha humor, clearly Ne + Fe... but I know some probable gammas who quite enjoy it. Shrug.
    Ahh, that makes sense. I hadn't considered what it must look like from a Beta perspective. Interesting. I learn a lot from you, silverchris (which is basically the highest praise I can give).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    Ahh, that makes sense. I hadn't considered what it must look like from a Beta perspective. Interesting. I learn a lot from you, silverchris (which is basically the highest praise I can give).
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    Monty Python typically pokes fun at authority figures (e.g., military, police, clergy) or other professions (accountants, business, doctors), though typically in a more generalized fashion rather than particular people. This also frequently includes a satire of British bureaucracy.



    There are many videos of Monty Python that show strong and -derived sources of humor. But it's not so much -devaluing as it is just a natural quality or extension of their humor.

    From arguing as to what constitutes an argument:


    To lessons in proper Latin grammar:


    Taking things literally while having absurd logical arguments:


    Or sketches revolving around silly rules:
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    Quote Originally Posted by eunice View Post
    I have never really enjoyed Monty Python and I don't find it humorous.
    SAME. NOT delta humor!!!

    My first thought was alpha as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    Expat claimed that he found Weekend at Bernie's funny despite it being Alpha. I do not see why people across multiple quadras (even opposing ones) can find the same material humorous.
    Even though Gammas are predisposed to sarcasm and smirks, I myself can find almost anything humorous, but I'd say I prefer double entendres and would think to find the apex of funny in such a method.

    Also, Weekend at Bernie's is great, 1 & 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    SAME. NOT delta humor!!!
    I do not think we can take that as valid evidence. After all, I know Deltas who do like Monty Python. They are attracted by the -type zaniness and physical humor. It would be more beneficial if you identified particular IE in their humor that you see.
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    I don't see how Monty Python could be at all Gamma. It has a very alpha-tinged Ne ridiculousness about it.
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    I just want to know about this discussion Juju had with his friend. How is Monty Python gamma?
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    Alpha humor.

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    It's too immature to be Gamma humour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Words View Post
    It's too immature to be Gamma humour.
    maybe: immature = infatile (Ne)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    Expat claimed that he found Weekend at Bernie's funny despite it being Alpha. I do not see why people across multiple quadras (even opposing ones) can find the same material humorous.
    Well I think human thought processing is so complex that comedy largely aimed to tickle alpha buttons can also turn out to tickle another quadra's buttons in some different unintended way for different reasons.

    I think that's why people across quadras can like a particular movie or a singer or actor from a different quadra (even an opposing quadra).

    Also I think the most popular movies and shows are aimed to please people of all quadras (perhaps the team making them involved members of different quadras).

    (oh btw, was this a typo and you meant "can't"? )
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    I have never really enjoyed Monty Python and I don't find it humorous.
    Pretty much how I feel about it.

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    The main problem with associating this with alpha is that it is in so damn many ways extreme besides maybe having an alpha influence.

    It's exceedingly british. It's also vulgar and immature. These are three things I feel repulsed from, and none of them are in any direct way associated with alpha despite what some morons may think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    ...and none of them are in any direct way associated with alpha despite what some morons may think.
    What? Maybe it's a dyad thing. Most SEIs and ILEs I run into are "vulgar" and "immature", and I absolutely love it, much like I love Monty Python.

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    You're not "vulgar", nor is any ISFp that I have met so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    You're not "vulgar", nor is any ISFp that I have met so far.
    Okay, so not the SEIs. I've only run into one. And she was like, 40? God she was awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    You're not "vulgar", nor is any ISFp that I have met so far.
    me included?

    anticipating your answer as yes... I can be very vulgar I think, but I'm aware of the sensibilities of the people that I'm interacting with and naturally change myself accordingly. If you sat in on me and hitta having a conversing sometimes, you'd see.

    then again, I have propriety. so maybe that makes me not vulgar?

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    Alphas can be vulgar for the sake of being vulgar - Watch Larry David if you don't believe me. But it's usually expressed in a way that gives it mass appeal, they might even go to pains to make it seem witty, life affirming or self-deprecating in some way. They always know who's watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Alphas can be vulgar for the sake of being vulgar - Watch Larry David if you don't believe me. But it's usually expressed in a way that gives it mass appeal, they might even go to pains to make it seem witty, life affirming or self-deprecating in some way. They always know who's watching.
    I'm confused though as to how Monty Python is vulgar. Their humor is not only quite clean, but is widely regarded by critics as being exceptionally well-written intelligent, yet in an understated way so as to be accessible.
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    I'm confused though as to how Monty Python is vulgar. Their humor is not only quite clean, but is widely regarded by critics as being exceptionally well-written intelligent, yet in an understated way so as to be accessible.
    Take that scene where trumpets are blown from a bunch of men's assholes. Sorry, but no thanks.

    Alphas can be vulgar for the sake of being vulgar - Watch Larry David if you don't believe me. But it's usually expressed in a way that gives it mass appeal, they might even go to pains to make it seem witty, life affirming or self-deprecating in some way. They always know who's watching.
    I know, but the key word in that sentence is "can". The association isn't a direct one and only runs in one direction. It's not like when a person is vulgar that gives any indication as to the person being alpha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    Take that scene where trumpets are blown from a bunch of men's assholes. Sorry, but no thanks.
    Most of that comes from Terry Gilliam, and even then that's not all that common, nor is it by any means the primary or secondary source of laughs for the Pythons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    I know, but the key word in that sentence is "can". The association isn't a direct one and only runs in one direction. It's not like when a person is vulgar that gives any indication as to the person being alpha.
    Likewise, I don't think you can make a case that just because something is vulgar, immature or "British", that it's definitely not Alpha.
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    Best post all thread.

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    Likewise, I don't think you can make a case that just because something is vulgar, immature or "British", that it's definitely not Alpha.
    Which is why I didn't say that. I said this:

    none of them are in any direct way associated with alpha

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    So what's the reason for strongly rejecting Alpha?
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