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Thread: Socionics typing: what do you go by first?

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    Default Socionics typing: what do you go by first?

    Which aspects of type are easiest for you to identify in others? That is, what do you notice first, or what are you first able to pinpoint with certainty? I hope I'm making sense....anyway, is it:

    Temperament (IP, IJ, EP, or EJ)
    Quadra (Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta)
    Base function
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    Both Ego functions (but unsure of order)
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    I go for base function. s have so far been walking robotically with their head in a fixed position.

    s seem to be detached in their own sort of way. Like scanning the territory or something.

    is another easy one.
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    Temperament. Js tend to have very stiff postures, like they're made of rods and joints. Ps are more flexible, giving the impression they're made of rubber bands.

    Es have a lot of energy, like they're bouncing or charging. Is have less energy, like they're rigid statues, or floppy drapings.

    Unfortunately I've had a chain of failed typings where I mistake Role for Base. This is a highly consistent error though, so I think Temperament is a good way of doing it.

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    I'm not sure.

    I tend to recognize IMs I value rather than the positions, in particular Fi and Te jump out at me first, or lack thereof.
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    It's hard to tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton2 View Post
    Quadra or 'half-quadra' (like noticing if someone is / or / etc.). Then temperament. After that nothing else is necessary.
    Same.
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    Temperament is always the most immediately obvious thing for me. EPs and EJs are usually really easy to pick out. I sometimes confuse IPs and IJs, but I can usually figure it out after observing them for a while. Extremely introverted IPs and IJs are difficult to discern.

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    1) It's the same as identifying whether someone is a male or female. You don't start looking at lips or hair, you just go with the general picture.

    2) if that doesn't work, than I find the 4 dichotomies most easy to spot.

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    I don't use any of those ways and wasn't aware that anyone did. The *oncept of typing first by base, *reative, or ego seems absurd.
    Last edited by Director Abbie; 11-08-2010 at 10:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I don't use any of those ways and wasn't aware that anyone did. The *oncept of typing first by base, c*reative, or ego seems absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I don't use any of those ways and wasn't aware that anyone did. The *oncept of typing first by base, c*reative, or ego seems absurd.
    well, how would you do it, then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    well, how would you do it, then?
    I typed someone this afternoon. Generally, first by dichotomies, then by supervision rings, then by sense of humor, then by temperament, then by Expat, then by Wikisocion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I typed someone this afternoon. Generally, first by dichotomies, then by supervision rings, then by sense of humor, then by temperament, then by Expat, then by Wikisocion.
    but wouldn't you have to know someone really well first before you could type by dichotomies? (and which dichotomies do you mean? Jungian? Reinin?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    but wouldn't you have to know someone really well first before you could type by dichotomies? (and which dichotomies do you mean? Jungian? Reinin?)
    Jungian. First I give them a dichotomy description and have them let me know what sounds like them, skipping anythink indecisive. Though this approach very rarely gets the right type, the discussion it involves notifies me of what angle would be the most practicable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DA
    Generally, first by dichotomies, then by supervision rings, then by sense of humor, then by temperament, then by Expat, then by Wikisocion.
    I really, really like this.

    But what's it mean if there's not one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CILi View Post
    I really, really like this.

    But what's it mean if there's not one?
    *shrug* Maybe they're ESI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    *shrug* Maybe they're ESI.
    haha yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I typed someone this afternoon. Generally, first by dichotomies, then by supervision rings, then by sense of humor, then by temperament, then by Expat, then by Wikisocion.
    Expat types by base function...something you find absurd '-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton2 View Post
    Quadra or 'half-quadra' (like noticing if someone is / or / etc.).
    Same. Usually its either: quadra, like I'll think they're "beta" but not sure which one. Or half-quadra / temperament: I'll think they're say EXTj but don't know which one.

    If I'm completely stumped, like how I've been for myself, I'll at least try to get temperament right first, and then gradually see which relations/values form.

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    different things pop out with different people. usually its either temperament or "half-quadra" that is most obvious. but then occasionally i'll get an impression of what the ego functions are more quickly, or a i'll get a strong quadra vibe but not a temperament, or something. in the end it depends on whatever is most visible to me about the specific person.

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    Hard to say because it really depends on the person. With some people, quadra is really obvious, with others its base function, and with some some its temperament.
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    Body Language, for me, is the most effective tool to type people with. Thanks Arthur touched upon this in a couple posts earlier, but there are a couple cues that I use that can determine their typing pretty accurately.

    The first difference I look at is if they are rational or irrational type (J or P). The hand gestures are quite different.

    Next, I will look if they are either introverted or extroverted base by looking at their relation to the object (looking at their leaning to the object)

    Next either N/S or T/F differences. These are the hardest to spot, for me. Reading people's emotions isn't my greatest strength, but I try to look at if they can easily hold their facial expression for long periods of time and how high the expression rises on their face.

    N/S difference can be spotted by the rhythm of their talking. Sensors tend to talk in the same rhythm/tone, whereas intuitives will talk in a 'choppy' rhythm/tone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warrior-librarian View Post
    Hard to say because it really depends on the person. With some people, quadra is really obvious, with others its base function, and with some some its temperament.
    i like how you said basically the same thing i did with half the words, haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoshyant View Post
    Body Language, for me, is the most effective tool to type people with. Thanks Arthur touched upon this in a couple posts earlier, but there are a couple cues that I use that can determine their typing pretty accurately.

    The first difference I look at is if they are rational or irrational type (J or P). The hand gestures are quite different.

    Next, I will look if they are either introverted or extroverted base by looking at their relation to the object (looking at their leaning to the object)

    Next either N/S or T/F differences. These are the hardest to spot, for me. Reading people's emotions isn't my greatest strength, but I try to look at if they can easily hold their facial expression for long periods of time and how high the expression rises on their face.

    N/S difference can be spotted by the rhythm of their talking. Sensors tend to talk in the same rhythm/tone, whereas intuitives will talk in a 'choppy' rhythm/tone.
    it almost seems as if typing method is type related too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    it almost seems as if typing method is type related too.
    That's something I've always wondered about. I know I've typed a bunch of people at mum's workplace based on her answering questions about body posture and whatnot, so she's at least naturally picking up on the same sorts of information as me.

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    I don't use any method when typing someone. It's a mix of everything you said and the general impression of the person plus indications of what intertype relationship that might be forming between us. And also non-socionics information like hobbies, career etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Quadra
    I've never understand how people can type with quadra.

    I have a hard time seeing what 4 people have in common. While it's easy to see what makes 1 type.

    Can you explain what it is that you see in quadras or how you use this method?

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    Temperament and/or 1 valued set of IEs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    I've never understand how people can type with quadra.
    Quadra --> E/I --> S/N --> Type

    I have a hard time seeing what 4 people have in common. While it's easy to see what makes 1 type.

    Can you explain what it is that you see in quadras or how you use this method?
    When I talk to someone I don't know I tend to "feel":

    Hostile idiot --> gamma
    Harmless bore --> delta
    Emotional, forceful --> beta
    Psychological comfort --> alpha

    It doesn't work with everybody, since I appreciate people of all quadras.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    When I talk to someone I don't know I tend to "feel":

    Hostile idiot --> gamma
    Harmless bore --> delta
    Emotional, forceful --> beta
    Psychological comfort --> alpha

    It doesn't work with everybody, since I appreciate people of all quadras.
    Ah this makes sense yes. I tend to 'feel' relationships quite well.

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