I don't know if this is even a genre but I just realized Escape From Witch Mountain is about sibling duality. What's interesting is that I remember enjoying this with my SEE sister when I was young.
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I don't know if this is even a genre but I just realized Escape From Witch Mountain is about sibling duality. What's interesting is that I remember enjoying this with my SEE sister when I was young.
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An ILI at rest tends to remain at rest
and an ILI in motion is probably not an ILI
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Duck, You Sucker by Sergio Leone, one of my all-time favorite films, is about SEE (Rod Steiger's Juan Miranda)-ILI (James Coburn's John Mallory) duality I believe.
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Pulp Fiction- Friendly duality, albeit with an example of a romantic duality (SLE/IEI).
Grease- Romantic duality (another SLE/IEI).
Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't about anything but beating up angels and how fucked-up the characters are, but the major romantic subplot is a dual one (male IEI-female SLE).
Firefly likewise features two dual pairs: Kaylee and Simon (LII/ESE) and Wash and Zoe (SLE/IEI).
40 Year Old Virgin is about male EII-female LSE duality.
The second Kim Possible movie is about Kim and Ron (SLE/IEI duality) becoming a couple.
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What do these signs mean—,
, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function(extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
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When Harry Met Sally
I think in Casablanca, that rick is ISTp and Ingrid Bergman's character is ENFp. She seems quiet at first, but when they're showing the memory scenes of them dating where they're in the convertable car, etc., it seems very ISTp/ENFp.
Also, it's the ONLY old movie I could get my ISTp to watch!!
Also Big (ISTp) and Carrie (ENFp) from Sex and The City.
And Briget Jones's Diary (ENFp for her, and ISTp for the guy she ends up w/)
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You think Carrie's ENFp? Sarah Jessica Parker is ILE though. I sort of saw Big as SLE, maybe. I dont watch Sex and the City enough to type the characters though so if you say so, i believe it.Originally Posted by jewels
Oh and i totally agree with Bridget Jones' Diary. Painfully IEE there. :redface: And an IEI (Colin Firth) plays the SLI. The character is SLI though, for sure.
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I definitely identified with Rick so I'm sure he's ILI or SLI. Regardless, the movie is characteristic of long lost loves, or maybe lust?
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Life Is Beautiful- Guido (ESE) & Dora (LII)
Gone with the Wind- Scarlett (SLE) & Ashley (IEI)
Ferris Bueller's Day Off- Ferris (IEE) & Sloan (SLI)
Jane Eyre- Jane (EII) & Rochester (LSE)
Why Did I Get Married?- Sheila (EII) & Troy (LSE) *I only watched this because Danielle mentioned it and I wanted to see if she was right ha*
if I think of anymore I'll come back to this... For some reason I don't recall seeing Gamma onscreen duality...
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I recall Rick had Commando as EII/LSE.
The Sound of Music -- Maria (IEE) and the Captain (SLI vs LSE)?
Christopher Plummer is LSE I think but I am not sure if he played an LSE or an SLI.
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Sliding doors, Gywneth Paltrow aka Helen Quilley EII and John Hannah aka James Hammerton possibly LSE. Not convinced on the guys type, but meh, i'll cheat a little.
Big and Carrie, I believe, are an SLE/IEI duality.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Yeah that makes a LOT more sense to me.
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"Silly ILI, SLEs are for IEIs."
I was actually going to include this in my post but deleted it before I did since I wasn't sure if Hanna was SLE or LSI
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Boy Meets World is, I suspect, about an EII (Cory) - LSE (Topanga) duality.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Sheridan and Delenn from Babylon 5 are an SEE-ILI dual pair. I think Sinclair and his fiancee (the Asian woman who shows up in two or three episodes) are additionally an EII-LSE dual pair, and Marcus and Ivanova are an IEI-Fe/SLE-Ti dual pair. JMS sure likes male Es and female Ls...
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8-subtype system: D-IEI-Fe
16-subtype system: IEI-ESE
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"He who has felt the deepest grief is best able to experience supreme happiness. We must have felt what it is to die, that we may appreciate the enjoyments of living." - Edmond Dantes (The Count of Monte Cristo, Alexandre Dumas père)
Harold and Maude
IEI / SLE or ILI / SEE ?
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I agree with this.
Not exactly prime drama material I'd imagine.
Shaun (ILE) and Ed (SEI) in Shaun of The Dead
Juno (ILE) and Leah (SEI) in Juno
Maybe Alice (ILE) and the Madhatter (SEI) in the Burton Alice in Wonderland
Paul McCartney (SEI) and Linda (ILE) in The Linda McCartney Story. But that's more autobiographical so I don't know if that counts...
I'm pretty sure I've seen this coupling a few other times on screen, but that's all I can recall atm
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Alice was an awesome ILE in that film.
yeah she was pretty cool, infinitely more so than the IEIish cartoon version
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Anyway, how do you see her and the mad hatter as representing ILE/SEI duality?yeah she was pretty cool, infinitely more so than the IEIish cartoon version
I saw the Burton Alice as quite the epitome of the overtly curious Ne dominant who is preoccupied by an internal desire for novelty. For instance, I recall one scene (correct me if I'm wrong) where Alice and her mother are walking through a garden and while her mother is talking to her, Alice randomly makes a comment about painting the flowers red.
I sort of see this as a bad Fi move as well, in that Alice is so preoccupied with her need for incongruous permutation and emotional levity that she rudely interrupts someone who is speaking to her.
With the hatter, I'm a bit reluctant to be sure of his type since he is rather insane to a point, but simultaneously he has a buoyant yet protective persona, and yet I can't think of any other type he could fit as...
I'd probably have to re watch it again to make a better argument since I only seen it, once, at the theater which was a while back
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I've seen it like this: Carrie (IEE) and Big (LSE) = activators
Anyway, they don't seem like duals to me.
totally. i loved that version of it too. and, my ILE daughter did as well.
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those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tml#post712297totally. i loved that version of it too. and, my ILE daughter did as well.
i made a post there.
i agree with you thanksarthur.
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those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
this could be right. Big seemed SLE and Carrie seemed IEE so it made sense to just change carrie into an IEI so they could be duals. but Big works as an LSE.
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those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
How so?
I dont think they were duals or activators, for the record. Too much strife and misunderstanding.
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well...the strife was about Big not leaving his wife for the longest time, so sort of external. i guess i always assumed they were duals. you don't see superegos, do you?
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those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Oh, actually i didn't know that.
Maybe i better watch more Sex in the City before commenting further...
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I don't see why Carrie couldn't be IEI. She always seems to be asking questions of "why" about whatever goes on around her, and trying to delve into the deeper meaning of things. Strikes me as
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
The reason why i'm sort of not seeing IEE is that i never really identified with the character of "Carrie", like i do with, for example, the character of "Bridget Jones" (not with EVERYTHING but with the way she sees the world, her reactions to things etc).I don't see why Carrie couldn't be IEI. She always seems to be asking questions of "why" about whatever goes on around her, and trying to delve into the deeper meaning of things. Strikes me as
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
maybe Big is LSE, but Chris Noth is definitely SLE ; dd
I think Charles and Marianne from Code Geass are a good example of SLE/IEI duality. Lelouch and Schniezel are also probably a messed-up fraternal duality gone wrong, LSI and EIE in this case. Euphemia and Cornelia likewise strike me as an example of sisterly EII/LSE duality. Mao and CC strikes me as an example of SEE/ILI duality when the aggressor end is mentally unhealthy. Jeremiah Gottwald and Anya is a much more healthy example of SEE/ILI duality. Ougi and Villetta are an EII/LSE dual romantic pair. Oh, and Shirley was too busy chasing after Lelouch to notice, but her and Rivalz are an SEI and an ILE respectively. Code Geass is full of dual pairs (though not all pairs in it are duals - Suzaku and Euphemia are an ESI/EII kindred pair, for instance).
Spike and Drusilla from Buffy the Vampie Slayer are another SLE/IEI dual relationship.
Albus Dumbledore and Gellert Grindelwald from Harry Potter seem like a tragic sort of IEI/SLE duality as well, to me.
Spock and Uhura in the original Star Trek are an LII and an ESE respectively, but nothing really goes on between them (the only romantic pair in the show is Kirk/Frisky Alien Chicks). Intriguingly enough, they do have a romantic relationship in the new film, but are not duals in it (both having been changed to LSI identicals, an LSI-Ti and an LSI-Se respectively).
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2-subtype system: IEI-Fe
8-subtype system: D-IEI-Fe
16-subtype system: IEI-ESE
IEI-Fe 2w3 > p6w5 > 8w7 sx/so
"He who has felt the deepest grief is best able to experience supreme happiness. We must have felt what it is to die, that we may appreciate the enjoyments of living." - Edmond Dantes (The Count of Monte Cristo, Alexandre Dumas père)
Why do you think Uhura's LSI from the new movie? From what I remember, Uhura's an almost classical Fe-leading type (EIE was my opinion) though I do agree Spock came across as Ti-leading, but I was leaning more towards LII, especially when comparing him with Kirk who's SLE.
LII?
Forgetting Sarah Marshall:
Rachel Jansen (ESTp) & Peter Bretter (INFp)
Back to the Future III:
Dr. Emmett Brown (ENTp) & Clara Clayton (ISFp)
The Family Stone:
Sarah Jessica Parker (ILE) and Luke Wilson (SEI)
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