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    I like delta then.
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    Beta sounds like me. One against the world.
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    You are missing the nihilistic aspect of "alpha." It is not useful to think in terms of the quadras imo.

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    nihilism is not incompatible with expressions of interconnection and sentiment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Transigent
    This isn't always true in the long run for everyone.
    this is my response to everything that anyone on this forum has ever posted. thus why 'alpha' was in quotes (as i do not believe they have shared values).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion

    this is my response to everything that anyone on this forum has ever posted. thus why 'alpha' was in quotes (as i do not believe they have shared values).
    hot damn!

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    yeah, delta sounds best to me too
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    it has nothing to do with death. what if death is a value?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transigent
    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
    it has nothing to do with death. what if death is a value?
    Don't you see how death is the opposite of value?

    Death for a larger purpose IS a value, but because of the purpose that it serves for the world.

    Death itself is an anti-value because it accomplishes nothing.
    It accomplishes sending us to heaven. Seems pretty sweet to me.
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    death is like silence or calm, it's value is not in the absence of cacophany but merely delight in the presence of ( )

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    raise your hand if you've died
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkside
    I like delta then.
    Yeah, me too.
    Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit

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    I think this has more to do with different generations than "groups" of people.
    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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    I agree, morals from society have a strong bearing in what we percieve as right and wrong, acceptable or unacceptable etc. However I do think there is some element related to type though.
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    I value death. You may need to be clear on what value I put on it tho Death could also be multiple values. I see a multitude of meanings that could be had from the single little word that means so much.

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    Beta/Delta for me.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    raise your hand if you've died
    any reference to death has always been to a thing not existing for the living (who are the objects of the conceptual interaction) necessarily lack any interaction with a death object. any usage of the word thus suggests a non-life apart from any tangible source which allows it to be applied to the living as easily as to any object. so yes i will raise my hand now proclaiming my death for it is as shallow as proclaiming the dead themselves to be in such a state.

    as for morality, it is inherent, at the very least because it arises from pain reactions that are (for the most part) ubiquitous in humanity. what differs are the connotations involved.

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    y do u do dat foo? i m nut trying to show off. let me think as i do without negative reinforcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro-the-Lion
    It is not useful to think in terms of the quadras imo.
    ... at least I'm not the only one.

    I tend to think that people basically "outgrow" Quadras and Intertype relationships. Set "values" seem like... they are for people who haven't overcome the other side of their personality.
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    For me the quadras represent a rather new angle of looking at types, groups of types, and their relations, and I'm not yet sure exactly what to think of them. But when I view myself, my relations, my general view of life, and my life experience, I tend to agree with this:

    Opposite way for me. I think people tend to grow into them given the right environment. It's not like the value is set first, the value is an outgrowth of what the types tend to want in life.
    And this, too:

    How quadras and intertype relations are currently described...well, that is just like type descriptions. Over exaggerations. All of it. On a more subtle level, I think there is something to it however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Transigent
    Intertype relations aren't really set in stone either. You could probably get along great with your conflictor with no real problems if you want.
    Yes, but I think this is not the point.

    My father was ISFp, and of course I could "get along" with him - but the problem is, we never really understood where the other was coming from. His actions and reactions very often made no sense at all to me, and I'm sure it was reciprocal. I could never be fully myself with him. And that applies to most of the ISFps I've been around. There's always a lack of connection.

    On the other hand, around ISFjs, INTps, INFjs, ENTjs etc I can be fully myself. With ISFps and ENTps, among others, it takes a conscious effort to avoid misunderstandings and stress (which is of course also stressful).

    That is the distinction. I don't think that it's the same to be married to your conflictor as to your dual; if that is the case, then Socionics does not make any sense at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    I tend to think that people basically "outgrow" Quadras and Intertype relationships. .
    The more I look into real examples, of people of several ages, the more it seems to me that people do not outgrow intertype relationships.

    I think you can develop a basic understanding that people are different and stop judging people's actions with base on how you would be acting in their place in a given situation. That leads to tolerance and a more easy-going attitude that makes relationships less turbulent in practice. But I think that the functional mechanisms of the intertype relationships remain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transigent
    Alpha

    Communal morality. Everything goes, and we will fight for that. We are all one, everyone belongs to everyone else.

    Beta

    Group morality. Everything goes; as long as we are the ones doing it, and we will fight for the right to do so. We are a group against the world.

    Gamma

    Societal morality. Do what is right for the common good; the needs of others outweigh your own needs. We are one with the world.

    Delta

    Personal morality. Live and let live. Do unto others, and do what is right for the good of the individual. No group is better then another group.
    A-haaa. So that's why some Beta posts sound like a pep talk before an important away match. "Beta is bettah!" and all that. Group morality. Simple.

    The only description that doesn't tell me anything is Alpha. Could someone rephrase this?

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    Hmm, whose morality can be best described with:

    do unto others, before they do it unto you?

    It sounds pretty Alpha to me

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    That's beta
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transigent
    What do you guys think? Just some thoughts, and totally open to change.

    NOTE: I have no idea if this is right. It is just something to comment on. Maybe there is some sort of connection, maybe not?

    Beta

    Group morality. Everything goes; as long as we are the ones doing it, and we will fight for the right to do so. We are a group against the world.

    Gamma

    Societal morality. Do what is right for the common good; the needs of others outweigh your own needs. We are one with the world.
    This is great stuff... I guess these things are always there in all the types in a given quadra, but it becomes very appearant when you put two types of the same quadra together. One thing though; I'd say these moral codes are more about the means than the ends.

    Beta morals:
    Se and Ni put together creates a pretty explosive mixture. However if you add Ti it gets even more spicy and subjective, and subjectivity creates division, as in "if the others only understood THE RIGHT WAY like we do".

    For example, if you put two friends that are INFp and ISTj together, the ISTj (stereotypically of course...) will go on a diatribe describing their subjective logical impression of the world. The INFp, feeling that they've gained an understanding will enthusiastically respond saying how that is "just the way it is". The ISTj will be more confident in their beliefs, and the loops starts again... Other's views, or "the facts" aren't really taken into account. And there you have the beta group mentality; emerging just like that.

    Again, this is really just about the means, the goal for your everyday beta revolutionary might still be to create a delta-like heaven without any groupings whatsoever (communism, anyone?). But that's after everybody else "gets it".

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