Id projection

[EyeSeeCold]

I read an MBTI description that said don't hook up with INTPs because they act like a J and slowly as you get to know them they return to their P and became lazy and messy.

Well of course it's true that people act a certain way until they are comfortable around other people, but is that 'certain way' a projection of the Id? I think it would sort of be like "Haha you think this is how I really am, but it's not, while I fool you into letting your guard down". Maybe in an attempt to protect the PoLR?

On one occasion I've noticed a distinct difference in behavior. An ESTP, new to the group, became an exact lookalike of an ESTJ, . She was all gung ho about work and everything and was really straight to the point. Once, integrated however, the began to show.

[Jarno]

I'm lazy all the time and I'm proud of it.

[Brilliand]

The id would be a very likely choice of masks, since it's something that the person can actually do effectively.

[Words]

I try to behave like my mirror, and behave super efficient and task orientated, getting things done straight away, alert and stuff.

Over time I become more lazy and do the minimum.

[tcaudilllg]

I read an MBTI description that said don't hook up with INTPs because they act like a J and slowly as you get to know them they return to their P and became lazy and messy.

Well of course it's true that people act a certain way until they are comfortable around other people, but is that 'certain way' a projection of the Id? I think it would sort of be like "Haha you think this is how I really am, but it's not, while I fool you into letting your guard down". Maybe in an attempt to protect the PoLR?

On one occasion I've noticed a distinct difference in behavior. An ESTP, new to the group, became an exact lookalike of an ESTJ, . She was all gung ho about work and everything and was really straight to the point. Once, integrated however, the began to show.

You should be more concerned about ESTPs that begin to seem more and more like ESTJs....

[EyeSeeCold]

For js, I think the id projection is pretty obvious, like maybe pretending to be lenient and accepting just to be seen as an easy going person.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

The id would be a very likely choice of masks, since it's something that the person can actually do effectively.

Interesting concept. Have you elaborated on this elsewhere?

Concerning the OP, I generally try to mask my laziness in situations that require me to work. I got tired of being berated over it at home. I'm an Ethical type, so that's not Id projection.

[Creepy-Korpsey]

From what I've read of MBTI, socionics, and psycho-typology forums, it appears that INTPs are the worst humans on earth and should be avoided at all costs.

[Jarno]

From what I've read of MBTI, socionics, and psycho-typology forums, it appears that INTPs are the worst humans on earth and should be avoided at all costs.

yeah, I read some survey that said that only 33% of marriage with an INTP will last. The lowest percentage of all types.

I do think that ILI-Ni's are worse than ILI-Te's.

[The Exception]

I do think that ILI-Ni's are worse than ILI-Te's.

Why do you think that? Do you suppose its due to the more cryptic nature of Ni, which could potentially make that subtype more daydreamy and less in touch with the reality around them?

[Aiss]

Did you get it from P stands for Phenomenon ?

If so, you might want to keep in mind that articles on that site vary in quality. Not saying there isn't something to this one, just for future reference.

[EyeSeeCold]

Did you get it from P stands for Phenomenon ?

If so, you might want to keep in mind that articles on that site vary in quality. Not saying there isn't something to this one, just for future reference.

Oh yea, that's it. It seems like it was just for kicks, but the point made is still relevant.

[Brilliand]

Interesting concept. Have you elaborated on this elsewhere?

No; this isn't something that I've thought through in depth, and I wasn't trying to say anything beyond the general Socionic concept of strong functions. Generally your mask will be determined by your environment, though I would consider the PoLR and Suggestive essentially unavailable for masks (Smilingeyes would disagree on this point, considering your Kindred type one of the first choices of masks). On the other hand, the Role function is associated with the mask on Wikisocion.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

No; this isn't something that I've thought through in depth, and I wasn't trying to say anything beyond the general Socionic concept of strong functions. Generally your mask will be determined by your environment, though I would consider the PoLR and Suggestive essentially unavailable for masks (Smilingeyes would disagree on this point, considering your Kindred type one of the first choices of masks). On the other hand, the Role function is associated with the mask on Wikisocion.

Interesting. *goes to look it up* Thanks.

[Jarno]

Why do you think that? Do you suppose its due to the more cryptic nature of Ni, which could potentially make that subtype more daydreamy and less in touch with the reality around them?

More because of the Ni's that I've met. They are indeed more dreamy and vague.
Next to that accepting subtypes always seem more into their own thing, a bit egoistic, not so easy with contact with others. etc.

[717495]

I've never heard that in INTP descriptions. But I do know that laziness is correlated to I, N and P. I guess in Socionics that means Ni.

I don't think I do all the atheist INTPs justice. I'm Christian and have good morals, and I think I will make a good husband.

[Creepy-Korpsey]

Did you get it from P stands for Phenomenon ?

If so, you might want to keep in mind that articles on that site vary in quality. Not saying there isn't something to this one, just for future reference.

Sergei Ganin strikes me as biased and antagonistic toward ILIs, probably because our characteristic skepticism challenges his phrenological approach to VI and the foundations of Jungian typology. To wit: "INTps have this very special relationship with Socionics. They are like plague, eating its very foundation. They are like ever growing tumour that turns once solid and sound principals into a formless jelly. Just like a bunch of angry termites on rampage, they feed on anything structural, bearing clarity and simplicity... by turning it to dust." Waaaaaaaah.

[Creepy-Korpsey]

yeah, I read some survey that said that only 33% of marriage with an INTP will last. The lowest percentage of all types.

That's MBTI so it's referring to INTx in general, not ILI specificially.

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