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    Types of characters?

    Jack Skellington - ESE?

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    I was just re-watching this a few days ago!

    I think Jack's ILE; he's driven by curiosity, novelty and the essential workings of anything that catches his interests, "what's this? What dose this mean? How? Why?" etc. I remember there was one scene where he spends all day locked-up in his lab trying to "dissect" Christmas, in which Sally sends him up some food to eat since amongst all his studying he never bothered to eat (Si negligence ftw!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    I was just re-watching this a few days ago!

    I think Jack's ILE; he's driven by curiosity, novelty and the essential workings of anything that catches his interests, "what's this? What dose this mean? How? Why?" etc. I remember there was one scene where he spends all day locked-up in his lab trying to "dissect" Christmas, in which Sally sends him up some food to eat since amongst all his studying he never bothered to eat (Si negligence ftw!)
    Sally- IEI probably
    Mayor- ESE
    Doctor Finklestein- LSI?
    this would all make sense; maybe Sally is SEI though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenna View Post
    this would all make sense; maybe Sally is SEI though?
    I was flip-flopping between that and IEI, but I leaned toward the latter due to her strong focus on premonition and general detachment from her environment. But it's a fictional character so I guess it doesn't matter that much
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    type type type

    Jack - ILE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    I was just re-watching this a few days ago!

    I think Jack's ILE; he's driven by curiosity, novelty and the essential workings of anything that catches his interests, "what's this? What dose this mean? How? Why?" etc. I remember there was one scene where he spends all day locked-up in his lab trying to "dissect" Christmas, in which Sally sends him up some food to eat since amongst all his studying he never bothered to eat (Si negligence ftw!)
    Sally- IEI probably
    Mayor- ESE
    Doctor Finklestein- LSI?
    yup... It's like he wants to logically deconstruct what it is that creates these positive emotions in people but it doesn't quite seem to work.
    The "What's this" song is pure Ne, finding new information quickly irrationally and out of pure curiousity, which is then later linked logically to seemingly similar social codes and rituals, which have been built slowly using tradition and convention, which in many ways are alien to alphas

    This film always interested me (I may have mentioned this on another thread) as I think it was written shortly after Burton met Lisa Marie Smith, and I can't help but wonder how much of her is in the Sally charactor. There may be an interesting parallel in that Smith had to be sewn into her costumes in Mars Attacks whilst Sally (if memory serves) had to sew herself up in NBC.
    IEE-Ne

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    Quote Originally Posted by somavision View Post
    yup... It's like he wants to logically deconstruct what it is that creates these positive emotions in people but it doesn't quite seem to work.
    The "What's this" song is pure Ne, finding new information quickly irrationally and out of pure curiousity, which is then later linked logically to seemingly similar social codes and rituals, which have been built slowly using tradition and convention, which in many ways are alien to alphas
    Yep, well put

    This film always interested me (I may have mentioned this on another thread) as I think it was written shortly after Burton met Lisa Marie Smith, and I can't help but wonder how much of her is in the Sally charactor. There may be an interesting parallel in that Smith had to be sewn into her costumes in Mars Attacks whilst Sally (if memory serves) had to sew herself up in NBC.
    I wasn't even aware of that, interesting observation
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    I just watched this film together with my family.
    It was just awesome! Even though Tim Burton wasn't the director, but the producer instead, this movie can be easily identified as one of his creations.

    I agree with ILE for Jack. He really seems to have a lot of Ne in his veins.
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    Corpse Bride

    Victor Van Dort - ILI
    Victoria Everglot - SEE
    Emily - SEI
    Lord Barkis - ILE
    Mr. Van Dort - LII
    Mrs. Van Dort - ESE
    Mr. Everglot - LIE
    Mrs. Everglot - ESI

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    I used to be obsessed with this movie, when I was younger. I liked it a lot....

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    All Tim Burton movies are Alpha. Jack = ILE, Sally = SEI

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    Jack can be LIE.

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    I think Jack is IEE-Ne (748), actually.
    I used to think he was ILE, but his obsession with Christmas is rather Te HA - to know (and Type 7). And his Ti is not actually that good, otherwise all his experiments wouldn't have failed the way they did. (The way he conducted them was rather Te valuing – very cause and effect focused.) He somehow tried to make sense of the Christmas phenomenon, but his weak Ti did not get him anywhere that would make sense. His equation made no sense whatsoever. Jack's Lament is very Type 4 fix + Fi. An ILE with Fe HA wouldn't yearn for being more "authentic"; he'd be fine with the fact he's loved and admired in his town. His longing is very characteristic of 4 (fix, in his case). The way he was ignoring all the future consequences of his endeavour was literally Ni Ignoring. While Sally was foreseeing "it would be a disaster", he flat out ignored all of her warnings. Having said all that, he does seem to be a bit of a mix of both ILE and IEE at certain points. Many fictional characters have some paradoxical traits.

    Sally is obviously IEI (946). Her song is IEI (Sx) AF. Her relationship with Jack is technically Extinguishment.
    They did have several communication issues and somehow have difficulties with really getting together until the very end.

    Doctor Finkelstein is a typical LII-Ti (593) "mad scientist" imo.
    This scene
    illustrates his and Sally's Benefit dynamic rather well; here it revolves around his Si HA.

    I used to think the Major was an LSE-Si with an eery Fe Role, but I could see ESE-Si for him instead.
    "I can't make decisions by myself" isn't something a Te lead guy would say. And his happy mask is rather +Fe.
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    Used to love this movie as a kid, I think srrrrng did too. Something about it was really IEI friendly. I liked the juxtaposition between the scary halloween and the beautiful Christmas and how you shouldn't really mix them even though it was funny when he tried.

    This is the type of question that pisses Shiver off, but do you all like Christmas or Halloween better? I like Christmas better usually because it's more magical , peaceful and gay (though the last few Christmases I've had sucked)... Halloween I never got into dressing up I was kinda always too shy. And I hated trick or treating, walking up to a stranger's house asking for candy... they could kidnap me and grimdarkily rape me. I was seriously afraid of that lol.

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    Umm. Lots of beta grimness there. Although there is that brain picking LII.

    Weird. It's like Ne ignoring movie. It is there but shackled like a criminal. let it free. It wants freedom you monsters!

    Yeah, my IEI sisters likes it as well. It makes feel suffocated, partially.

    I think Burton movies are not alpha like. Merry and dark points towards beta.
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    extrospection > introspection

    Head type as in being truly head type and probably 7>5. Too divergent, scattered and expressive for typical 5 and that is the preferred way although long term focus usually helps.

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    LSE is what comes to my mind when I see the mayor. ESE is usually less mission oriented. Portrays him as two faced. It is hint for something. Fe role?

    Tim Burton's type? Introverted irrational type is given based on the scenery he paints. Somewhere I have seen ILE but I really doubt that any Ep or even static type is capable of creating this kind of overall consistent world. It flows steadily sets the mood etc. I think Ni base.
    extrospection > introspection

    Head type as in being truly head type and probably 7>5. Too divergent, scattered and expressive for typical 5 and that is the preferred way although long term focus usually helps.

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    I think Tim Burton is EII-Ne 4w5.
    Possibly So/Sx.
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    It seems 4D Ni and 2D Si if I had to pin it down to functions (introverted and intuitive type).

    Maybe unreal world suits better for Ne ego thus making it EII (not LII ).
    extrospection > introspection

    Head type as in being truly head type and probably 7>5. Too divergent, scattered and expressive for typical 5 and that is the preferred way although long term focus usually helps.

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    Always a good movie. I think ILE, LIE, IEE could all work for Jack and IEI, SEI, and ESI for Sally. But Ne dom and IEI seems most likely for them.
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    Oogie Boogie could be a crazy SEE-Fi 7w6 Sp/Sx... hmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Oogie Boogie could be a crazy SEE-Fi 7w6 Sp/Sx... hmm...
    Well that's exactly how some people type Hitta lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darya View Post
    Well that's exactly how some people type Hitta lol.
    Seriously? I wouldn't type him that way...
    Oogie Boogie might be a "persona" of his at most, I don't see them being too similar.
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    Jack is Quixote

    Sally is Esenin

    Oogie Boogie is Napoleon

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    Victim-Aggressor dynamic

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    Sandy Claws/Santa Claus could actually be an EII-Fi in this movie.

    Talking about how naughty children don't get any presents, Fi comment.
    And his interaction with Oogie Boogie shows him having rather weak Se (PoLR).
    His comment about how there'll be dire consequences sounds like Ni Demonstrative.
    Supervision being their ITR would make sense, too.



    Another alternative typing would be SLI-Si. He just seems to be a Delta introvert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Seriously? I wouldn't type him that way...
    Oogie Boogie might be a "persona" of his at most, I don't see them being too similar.
    I've no idea who Oogie Boogie is, but yeah, SEE and 7w6 were both mentioned for Hitta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Who types Hitta SEE?
    I don't know but that makes me want to abort my type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Who types Hitta SEE?
    Lol, I'll PM you : )

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    They’re duals - IEI (Jack) & SLE (Sally)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Is this a joke typing? Or did you get the two mixed up?

    Btw I don't think they're duals. I think Jack is Ni ignoring and Sally is Ni base.
    Considering Jack's the dreamer and Sally is the sensible, down-to-earth one, I'd stick with the typing.

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    Nobody has gotten the types right :/

    Jack LIE-Ni (He has strong 4D Ne as most of you have noticed, but he is Te base. He is also clearly Se valuing/Se HA, and +Ni ego. As it seems that most people have trouble identifying LIE-Ni's, I want to cite him as a great example of one. He is probably Dominant DCNH).
    Sally ESI-Fi (is there any doubt that they're duals?)
    Mayor SEE (weak Ni is apparent and somewhat exaggerated; that's why he needs Jack's guidance to come to any decision)
    Doctor Finkelstein LII
    Santa Claus SLI
    Lock IEI-Fe
    Shock EIE-Ni
    Barrel SLE-Se
    ( ^^^ not completely sure about these three, but in any case; they're beta)
    Oogie Boogie ESE-Si (+Si ego type is clear)


    Quote Originally Posted by Olimpia View Post
    I think Tim Burton is EII-Ne 4w5.
    Possibly So/Sx.
    Tim Burton had minimal involvement with the making of this movie (he just came up with a poem that became the inspiration). It's easy to tell that while it has got some common elements with other works of his (romanticism, darkness...), this one is different. What's different is that Tim Burton's stuff usually is Ne/Si, while this movie is gamma to the core. This movie is very interesting for a variety of reasons: for example; a parallel with the story of the fall Lucifer can be drawn (and it is even hinted in a scene where Jack appears to have angel wings).
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